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Hi Barbara and Rutland Belle
Will do.
Getting more interesting though,so will be pleased to find out her father's name.

Just been looking through some old threads of mine and found one where I was funnily enough looking for the marriage of Francis Chandlers Grandfather and Grandmother,I could only find the banns for them.
Any how the post went much the same as this one.
I had a look at the 1891 census as the address on it caught my eye.Thomas Emerson Chandler and wife Mary were living in Chatham road
The same road the vicar has listed as Rosina and Alfred's address at the time of the marriage bann's.I had forgotten earlier that,that piece of info had been written on the page ,as well as the marriage was to take place at 12.30


So will certainly put findings on here when I have them.

all the Best Blue1

Hi Blue1

I think the death index you found was for the same Rosina that RutlandBelle found bap. record for.

The only way you can really find out who the Rosina who married alfred is --as you say--to buy the marriage cert.

Please will you let us know when you get the cert.


Best Wishes
Barbara x

Just for future ref

Two William Daniel Chandler's born Southwark

The first is married to Mary ann steward,but he dies 1915

*William Daniel Chandler Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1863 Registration district: Newington Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 213 (click to see others on page) from ancestry tree married mary steward .gave father as William deceased . tree gives father as Charles. William dies 1915 so not this one

Second one

William D Chandler Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1866 Registration district: Newington Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 195 (click to see others on page)

Can't find bap or marriage for him.

So thanks to both of you for your help.

Will have to buy the marriage cert for them

All the best Blue1

Have just found a death for the southwark birth so can rule out


Name: Rosina Chandler
Birth: abt 1896
Death: Oct 1899 - St Saviour Southwark, London

So will have a go through William Daniel Chandler

Blue1

Hi Barbara,
Have just been having a look at bmd's and baps I have
It seems that Rose Elizabeth is the sister reg "ap may june 1896"

Rose Elizabeth Chandler Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896 Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Inferred County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 98 (click to see others on page)

Bap for Rose

Rose Elizabeth Chandler Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896 Baptism Date: 24 May 1896 Father's name: Francis Emerson Chandler Mother's name: Catherine Chandler Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist Borough: Southwark

Rosina however same year different qtr

Rosina Chandler Date of Registration: "Jul-Aug-Sep 1896" Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Inferred County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 144 (click to see others on page)

So I think she must be rele other than a sister

On my grt Grandparents marriage cert


1917
6 Aug
Age: 18

Marriage to Jane Elizabeth Wood
Southwark, Middlesex, England
Chandler - Wood Southwark 1d 129 Sept.Q Witness,
Alfred Leonard Barret.
Harriot Mason
St Stephens church Southwark,
He is a soldier age 18
she is a tin worker age 19
he lives 271 east street,
she lives 5 Tabard street
His father Francis John Chandler a House Painter
(wrong middle name,should say Emerson)

Her father William Frederick Wood Leather Worker

On Albert Leonards Military record he is living at 278 East Street Walworth with wife Rosina maiden name Chandler and they were marriad 16 April 1916 at Walworth


So may be I have jumped the gun with this girl

Blue1

Please tell us what is on your grt grt grandparents marriage cert,

Hi Rutland Belle,
If this is Rosina's birth then she is not my Great Aunt,will have to try and find a connection to my chandlers through her father.

Also Barbara
that is the family in 1901 with plain Rose in it.
Goodness gracious,begining to wish I hadn't confussed my self with finding the witness's on the marriage cert of grt grt grandparents!

Blue1

Sorry,
just noticed it doesn't say Rosina,blast!
So am not sure now if the Rosie is Rose Elizabeth or Rosina

Blue1

1901 census ==father francis is a House Painter sames occ as the widowed father in 1911 census


1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Rose Chandler
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Francis Chandler
Mother's name: Catherine Chandler
Gender: Female
Where born: Walworth, London, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Lady Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Henshaw ? Street

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity, Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 249
Piece: 373
Folio: 92
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Chandler 36
Catherine Chandler 35
Ellen Chandler 15
Catherine Chandler 13
Frances Chandler 8
Rose Chandler 5
Francis Chandler 1


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 373; Folio: 92; Page: 34.

Hi Barbara,
sorry for taking so long,was having another go at finding the marriage.

I think this is her,her father Also Francis Chandler was a painter decorator.

She did have a sister Vicky and a sister Rose.I have found the baps for most of the chandler children but have never come across this Rosina before,she seems to have slipped the net! just read through again and the Address is correct So yes it's her and I have another sister to add to to my Granddads family.
I hopre when I add her and husband I get some matches,I have a great photo of my Granddad to share when he was a young man,he was three years younger than Rosina

Many thanks again

Blue1

this looks like her baptism

Name: Rosina Chandler
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1896
Father's name: William Daniel Chandler
Mother's name: Mary Ann Chandler
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark


father is a printer's labourer
address 17 Tindall Place

Could this be Rosina in the 1911 census ??


1911 census transcription details for: 271 East Street

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1817 RG78PN64 RD23 SD4 ED25 SN50


Reg. District: Southwark Sub District: Newington North
Parish: St Mary Newington Enum. District: 25

Address: 271 East Street
County: London


Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FRETT, George Head Married M 22 1889 General Dealer Walworth

FRETT, Kate Wife Married 5 years F 22 1889 Walworth

CHANDLER Father Widower M 44 1867 House Decorator Painter Walworth

>>>>>CHANDLER, Rosie Sister Single F 14 1897 Printers Taker Off Walworth

CHANDLER, Victoria Sister Single F 9 1902 Walworth

FRETT, Katie Daughter Single F 3 1908 Walworth

FRETT, Nellie Daughter Single F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Walworth

Thanks as well Rutland Belle

Looks like if the marriage can't be found then yet another cert is on the list


Blue1

I've made a note of the BMD details for later

Thanks Barbara,
I had found that one.I am in a bit of a pickle with this girl.
I have a feeling that she is the sister of my great grandad but that her real name is Rose Elizabeth.But she could be a cousin.
Any how ,both Francis my Great grandad and Rosina were living in East Street Walworth.
Had hoped that the marriage might show up on FMP

Oh well


Blue 1

sorry it looks as only the Banns are there, I'm afraid.

they did marry:

Name: Rosina Chandler
Spouse Surname: Alfred L. Barrett
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 179

I can't find the marriage --only the banns --on Ancestry

this seems to be the marriage index to send for cert


Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)

>>>>Barrett Alfred L Chandler Southwark 1d 179
Boden Florence E Block Southwark 1d 179
>>>>Chandler Rosina Barrett Southwark 1d 179

Hi,
Would some one please have a go at finding the marriage of

Rosina Chandler
Spouse Name: Alfred Barrett
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 16 Apr 1916
Parish: Lady Margaret Church
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

I can only find the banns on ancestry and not the marriage.
I am trying to work out the relationship of Rosina to my great grandfather Francis Chandler.
Her husband Alfred was a witness on my great grandparents marriage cert.


Many Thanks

Blue1

forgot to add that the couples address in 1917 was 287 East Street Walworth