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My grandfather was born in 1854 (according to his marriage certificate) the story in the family was that his father was a soldier - this is confirmed on his marriage certificate) but was deceased. William was in a boarding school and the fees stopped being paid. William was transferred to an orphanage (could this mean that his father was killed in action and was the boarding school actually an army boarding school)? On two of the census returns he states that he was born in Aldershot. As this was a garrison town and his father was a soldier I thought this could be right. I have no idea where to go from here. His name was William Mackintosh and on one of his childrens birth certificates it states his name as William Henry Mackintosh. Can anyone out there advise me please ? Confused Carole

If his marriage cert lists his father as a soldier then you could well be right and he became an orphan on his father's death. What name does the marriage cert give for his father?

'On two of the census returns he states that he was born in Aldershot.'
Where does he state he was born in the other censuses?
Thanks

Added:
Aldershot in 1901 and 1911, Scotland in 1891?
1891 Wales Census
William Mackintosh
Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Fanny Mackintosh
Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: St John Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Cardiff County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 19a Piece: 4390 Folio: 86
Page Number: 28

William Mackintosh 32 Mason's labourer Scotland
Fanny Mackintosh 32 Clifton
Fanny Mackintosh 8 Penarth
Maud Mackintosh 4 Clifton
Colson Mackintosh 4 Clifton
John H Mackintosh 1 Clifton

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4390; Folio 86; Page 28; GSU roll: 6099500.

This one states that he was born in Aldershot on 1901 and 1911 so I guess it must be the one??

This time he is born in Scotland:

MACKINTOSH, William Head Married M 32 1859 Masons Labourer Scotland
MACKINTOSH, Fanny Wife Married F 32 1859 Clifton
MACKINTOSH, Fanny Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Penarth Glamorganshire
MACKINTOSH, Maud Daughter F 4 1887 Cardiff Glamorganshire
MACKINTOSH, Colson Son M 4 1887 Cardiff Glamorganshire
MACKINTOSH, John H Son M 1 1890 Cardiff Glamorganshire


Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Cardiff Enumeration District:
19 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
St John Cardiff Municipal Borough:
Cardiff Address:
Lower Flat, Crwys Road, St John Cardiff, Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire

It would be nice to have some more information here please.

Dea x

OOpps - Snap Patchem, I see you have added this to your above post - 'great minds think alike' eh ?

Dea x

1881, draper from Berkeley??
1881 England Census
William Mackintosh
Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Fannie Mackintosh
Gender: Male Where born: Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Berkeley County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: High Street
Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Draper
Registration district: Thornbury Sub-registration district: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 2517 Folio: 17 Page Number: 28

William Mackintosh 26
Fannie Mackintosh 26
Elizabeth Fryer 16

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2517; Folio: 17; Page: 28; GSU roll: 1341607.


Added:
This looks like the above in 1871, so wrong man, and just coincidentally married to a Fanny?
1871 England Census
Wm Anisthon Mackintosh
Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son Father's name: Alexander Mackintosh
Mother's name: Sarah Amelia Mackintosh
Gender: Male Civil parish: Berkeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Berkeley Town: Berkeley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Thornbury Sub-registration district: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 2589 Folio: 5 Page Number: 2

Alexander Mackintosh 50 Linen Draper
Sarah Amelia Mackintosh 47
Wm Anisthon Mackintosh 15
Collin Mackintosh 11
Co Edward Mackintosh 8
Ann Ch Sammet 10
Allice Rebeca Summar 21

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2589; Folio: 5; Page: 2; GSU roll: 835275.

Sorry, Dea, thought I was working on my own, so editing and amending posts.

No probs. Patchem.

I looked at that 'draper' on 1881 too but decided against it.

It would help if Carole would come back and tell us the details from that marriage cert so we at least knew who is father was.

Dea x

Hi Dea and everyone else trying to help me - details of the marriage cert are as follows ;
date 21st November 1877 the register office, district of Bristol
William Mackintosh age 23 years, bachelor- profession, shoe maker, address, Eugene Street, Bristol, fathers name William Mackintosh - deceased, profession, Soldier
Fanny Jarvis age 24 years, spinster, no profession listed, address, Eugene Street, Bristol, father - William Jarvis deceased, profession fly proprietor.

Witnesses Walter Evans and Elizabeth Evans

Thanks Carole

The 1891 census that Dea and I found had him as a Mason's labourer, not a shoe maker.
Could you copy over the correct census entries?
Thanks.

Is this the couple in 1881 ?

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William MC INTOSH Head M Male 27 Bristol, Gloucester, England Labourer Masons
Fanny MC INTOSH Wife M Female 28 Bristol, Gloucester, England Lundress
Anne MC INTOSH Daur Female 1 Bristol, Gloucester, England
:
Dwelling 9 Russ Street
Census Place Bristol St Philip & Jacob Out, Gloucester, England

or is this him in 1881 ?


HOOPER, Robert Head Married M 38 1843 Plasterer
Gloucester City
Gloucestershire VIEW
HOOPER, Mary Wife Married F 46 1835 Wife
St.Dogmaels
Pembrokeshire
Wales VIEW
JOHN, William Boarder Widower M 60 1821 Hoveller
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
WHEELER, Thomas Boarder Single M 20 1861 Labourer (Timber)
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
MILLER, Robert Boarder Married M 28 1853 Haulier
Devonport
Devon VIEW
KNOWLES, Joseph Boarder Single M 20 1861 Navvy
Devonport
Devon VIEW
>>>>>>MCINTOSH, William Boarder Married M 25 1856 Masons Labourer
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
JENKINS, William Boarder Single M 22 1859 Plasterer
Porth
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
SMITH, Joseph Boarder Single M 32 1849 Navvy
Devon VIEW
POTTER, Joseph Boarder Widower M 62 1819 Hawker
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5279 Folio:
35 Page:
27

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Cardiff Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Cardiff St Mary Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Millicent St, Cardiff St Mary County:
Glamorganshire

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Russ Street
06/06/2011 22:10:04

Yes Mike this is him, I have just recently obtained the birth and death certificate of Anne (his daughter) and it was on her birth certificate that I found out his second name was Henry.

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Took me a while to realise Russ Street was an address not a name.
Guess it refers to my thread above re : 1881

Mike

So he was a shoe maker on his wedding certificate (1877) and a Labourer Masons in 1881?