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Trying to find orgins of William Mitchell convict transported to Western Australia 1855:
born approx 1830 unknown POB. Father ? William. Convicted: Lancaster
was a shoemaker. transported at age 25years. single (below transport record)
Any help greatly appreciated.
Not sure if have correct origins and unsure how to verify: Where should I be looking?
some have his origins as
parents William 1801 & Margaret Hodgson 1802 Bristol Somerset died Aston Warwwickshire married 1841 St Phillips & St Jacobs Gloucestershire. 4 children.
another
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Baptisms: 19 Dec 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Mitchell - Child of Robert Mitchell & Ellen
Abode: Salthouse Dock
Occupation: Shoemaker
Baptised by: Thomas Johnson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 298, Entry 2383
Source: LDS Film 1656419
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Reviewing Census unsure how to know if viewing correct person.
1841 Census
Name: William Mitchell
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Whalley
Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division)
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Oswaldtwistle
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 509
Book: 22
Folio: 21
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
John Mitchell 50
William Mitchell 11
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Also in 1841 census came across a William Mitchell
Name: William Mitchell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 557
Book: 9
Folio: 20
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
William Mitchell 30
Catharine Mitchell 3
William Mitchell 13
Elizabeth Mitchell 7
Hannah Mitchell 5
Sarah Mitchell 4 _______________________________________________________________
1841 Census Name: William Mitchell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 583
Book: 2
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Dales 65
Ann Dales 55
Sarah Mitchell 35 widow
William Mitchell 10
Sarah Ann Mitchell 1 __________________________________________________________________
1851 CensusName: William Mitchell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Yorkshire Barnstley
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 2ee
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 2221
Folio: 836
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Ingle 1
William Mitchell 21
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Known information:
MITCHELL, William
Convict No 3478
Ship Name Adelaide
Ship Arrival Date 18 Jul 1855
Birth Date 1830
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation shoemaker
Sentence Date 11 Aug 1852
Sentence Place Liverpool
Sentence Province Lancashire
Sentence Country England
Court Assizes
Length of Sentence 10yrs
Ticket of Leave Date 18 Jul 1855
Conditional Pardon Date 1 Aug 1859
Known Areas Toodyay, Perth
As per Welcome Wall Fremantle Museum: Fremantle 395 panel
MITCHELL, William
1830 – 1898-1900
Origin Liverpool, Lancashire, England
First settled in Toodjay & Northam, WA
Original Occupation Shoemaker
Occupation in Australia Shoemaker & Wood Cutter
vessel: Adelaide
Departure Port Portland, England
Arrival Year 1855
Literate Shoemaker - 10 year sentence 11/08/1852 - 7 years transportation to Australia 1855 (25 years old). Convict number 3478 - Ticket of Leave 18/07/1855 Expiree - Conditional Pardon 1859. Shoemaker Toodjay and Northam (employed 7 T/L men 1872). Wood Cutter 1880's. Married Elizabeth DHU 1881(1 stepchild) and 4 children - 1 survived. Died 68 - 70 years old.
ta Michelle
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That's a lot for a stranger to take in, I fear.
Can you say where all this is taken from? What is fact, from official records, and what is conjecture? The only facts seem to be the bottom bit, "Known information"?
The two things at the top, showing different parents and different dates of birth -- they come from different people's family trees?
Do they have records that tie your person to those ones? Obviously one only, since they're mutually exclusive!
Are there records in Australia with actual info like his parents' names, on marriage or death record?
There are sure to be multiple William Mitchells that age-ish in England.
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"parents William 1801 & Margaret Hodgson 1802 Bristol Somerset died Aston Warwwickshire married 1841 St Phillips & St Jacobs Gloucestershire. 4 children."
This looks like one of those random adoptees into family trees that result from stupid Ancestry "hints", like the one that has 48 people showing my Cornwall grx4 grandparents having a son born 1775 in Tennessee. The name and date fit, so bingo, yes! I'll take that one!
The 1841 census doesn't even really make him the child of those parents! The household in St Philip and St Jacob is in this order:
Mary King 35
John Greening 26 - cordwainer (shoemaker) J
Robert Deer 15 - hammerman J
William Mitchell 11
William Mitchell 40 - lab
Margaret Mitchell 35
Thos Mitchell 9
Margaret Mitchell 5
with actually a line after the younger William indicating a household separation.
The address has another cordwainer as well (I doubt that is the surname, but I can't read it)
Thomas Coreno 55 - lab
Mary Coreno 55
Thos Coreno 20 - cordwainer J
Lucy Coreno 15
Henry Coreno 13
J indicates journeyman, or qualified.
I assume that what you quoted means they were already married in 1841 in Bristol, not that they married that year. It refers to Warwickshire, which I assume to be referring to the parents' deaths, since obviously your William didn't die in Warwickshire. It does suggest to me that this is the William Mitchell in question, in 1861, i.e. not yours:
Name: William Mitchell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Mitchell
> Where born: Bristol
Civil parish: Birmingham
William Mitchell 30
Caroline Mitchell 34
William G Mitchell 9
John T Mitchell 7
Caroline Mitchell 6
Henry Mitchell 5
Mary A Mitchell 2
Walter Mitchell 6 MO
I also don't think it likely that someone from Bristol would end up being convicted in Lancaster.
One down??
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And then I peered into that dense mass of text and saw the name DHU and knew I had seen it before.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1269639
Do you not think there is information in that thread that might be useful here?
I do. That's why there's a rule against duplicate threads about one family. So we don't spend time doing what has been done.
You have all the info about William Mitchell's life in Australia that gives context and background, like his marriage and kids. Nobody just reading this thread has it.
This one is started now ... so how about you add all the information you have to it?
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Hi
Sorry for the overload of information, I never know how much or how little to write.
should I delete the census records, as they were from my research based on approx age and proabability of location. but I was unsure once had information how to verify it.
parents William & Margaret were based on a public member tree for William's step daughter Emily Jane Dhu Mitchell, but again not sure how to make sure correct, as I have found a lot of trees have incorrect information.
other parent were from my researching Parish records based on William's approx age and location of conviction and fathers occupation shoemaker.
The Western Australian information is based on a public display at the Fremantle musuem called the Welcome Wall and the Perth DPS convict ships list.
I am also still verfying information in WA regarding marriage and death before ordering certificates because if incorrect they do not refund the fees.
While writing this, see you have answered, regarding Bristol and I have learnt something new a cordwainer is a shoe maker. I have also been searching internet for information on occupations such a clogger, spanish leather dresser as I come across them in the census /birth records.
Help appreciated
Michelle :-)
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I would leave them -- the thing to do is try to trace each of the WMs forward to 1861 to rule out.
Do always identify the source of information. Ancestry trees ... they get the back of my hand, I'm afraid! Unless there's firm, consistent supporting documentation. That one is obviously utter nonsense.
Please do add the information about William's marriage, children and death here. You have that info, we don't.
I think there's no way around getting certificates.
You have solid information for ordering the Mitchell + Dhu marriage certificate, don't you?
Canadian time here, I'm off for supper!
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all information From Eva Elizabeth Mitchell search thread: Daughter of William Mitchell
Don't know where to look, any suggestions the best way to tackle this problem.
no birth records for Eva Elizabeth Mitchell. born approx 1882 married 1905 died Northam hospital and buried Meckering 4 mar 1951.
Eva Elizabeth Mitchell married David Biddle Meckering Western Australia Dec 1905
wedding certificate states mother is Elizabeth Jane Dhu and father William Mitchell
witness was Emily Jane Jeakes (half sister to Eva, namesd as Emily Jane Hellier Dhu Mitchell married to Ernest & then George Jeakes .Sons of Hannah Dhu and Pawley Jeakes/Jacques.)
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William Mitchell was a Ticket of Leave man from England married Elizabeth Jane Dhu about 1881 daughter of Heffer Dhu/Dew and Jane Morley.
Welcome Wall Fremantle re: william Mitchell lists only 1 child surving that would be Helen Mitchell also married Ernest Jeakes.
No Birth listed for Eva Elizabeth
other children of Elizabeth and William:
Isaac, Henry William, William, Helen, unknown, Eliza. able to find birth and death records for these children.there are two more children
George and Mitchell born 1890 (twins)
ref numbers 845 and 846
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DAVID BIDDLE Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 1873
Parents:
Father: GEORGE JAMES BIDDLE Family
Mother: MARY HEHIR
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ELIZABETH JANE DHU Pedigree
Female Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 1859 , Western Australia, Australia
Parents:
Father: HEIFFER DHU OR DEW Family
Mother: JANE MORLEY
Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM MITCHELL Family
Marriage: JUL 1881 Western, Queensland, Australia ________________________________________________
ELIZABETH JANE DHU Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 1859 , Western Australia, Australia
Parents:
Father: HEIFFER DHU OR DEW Family
Mother: JANE MORLEY
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Husband's Name Ephriam "Heefer" DHU (AFN:1GWC-GMM) Pedigree
Born: Abt 1810 Place:
Married: Abt 1838 Place:
Father: Mother:
Wife's Name Mrs Ephriam "Heefer" DHU (AFN:1GWC-GNT) Pedigree
Born: Abt 1810 Place:
Married: Abt 1838 Place:
Father: Mother:
Children
1. Sex Name M James Dew DHU (AFN:1GWC-GQ8) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1841 Place:
2. Sex Name M George Dew DHU (AFN:1GWC-GRG) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1843 Place:
3. Sex Name M Charles DHU (AFN:1GWC-GV3) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1861 Place:
4. Sex Name F Bridget DHU (AFN:1GWC-GW9) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1863 Place:
5. Sex Name F Mary DHU (AFN:1GWC-GXH) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1865 Place:
6. Sex Name M Alfred DHU (AFN:1GWC-GZP) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1867 Place:
7. Sex Name M Thomas DHU (AFN:1GWC-H0V) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1869 Place:
8. Sex Name F Hannah Dew DHU (AFN:1GWC-GP2) Pedigree
Born: 1839 Place: Died: 1912 Place: , , W.a., Ausl
9. Sex Name F Elizabeth Dew DHU (AFN:1GWC-GTV) Pedigree
Born: 1859 Place:
10. Sex Name F Eliza Dew DHU (AFN:1GWC-GSN) Pedigree
Born: 1851 Place: Died: 13 Feb 1943 Place: , Toodyay, W.a., Ausl
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Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Eliza Mitchell Name: Eliza Mitchell
Father's name: William Mitchell
Mother's name: Elizabeth Dhu
Birth Place: Toodyay
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Place: Western Australia
Registration Number: 24421
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Headstones at Meckering Cemetery WA
BIDDLE David
BIDDLE Edgar Vernon
BIDDLE Elizabeth
BIDDLE Jim
BIDDLE Samantha Pamela Frances
BIDDLE Vernon Everard, Florence Ellen
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Hi Ann of Green cables.
Thank you for quick reply and your research. Yes they are the David Biddle and the Heffer Dhu connection.
I hit a brick wall as Eva does not show up in any of the Dhu records or the Biddle.
I have all their dobs and the Western Aust BDM.
First time Eva shows up is marriage to David Biddle.
Have even checked name and spelling variations especially for the Dhu and William Mitchell connections.
I had thought William Mitchell may have been married previously as at time of marriage to Elizabeth Dhu he was in his 50's. and had been transported to WA 1855 aboard the Adelaide at 25years of age and didnt marry Elizabeth till 1881.
I thought maybe was second husband of Sophia Dent, but still no Eva born to the couple and cannot verify my William as the 2nd husband to Sophia.
Will keep hunting..
ta
Michelle
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DEATH... WA bdm online....
BIDDLE: EVA E, Female
District: NORTHAM
Reg no: 45
Year: 1951
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The West Australian, Monday 5 March 1951, p.20
BIDDLE: On March 4, 1951, at Northam Hospital, Eva Elizabeth, beloved wife of David Biddle, of Meckering. and fond mother of Stan (Merredin), Albert (Kalgoorlie), Olive (Mrs. H. Simmons, Victoria Park), Pat (Bruce Rock), Mary (Mrs. J. Watson, Esperance), Clarice (Mrs. W. Maumill, Perth), Lottie (Victoria), Jean (Mrs. J. Walters, Victoria) and James; aged 68 years.
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Friday 19 September 1952, p.20
BIDDLE (Davld) : On Sept. 17, passed away, Norseman Hospital, beloved husband of the late Eva Elizabeth, loved father of Stan, Mick, Pat, Jim, Olive, Mary, Clarice, Lottie, Jean, fond father-in-law of Silve, Jeanne, Val, Kath, Harold, John, Jim, John. Reunited with mum.
Are you sure the Eliza MITCHELL born in 1883 is not Eva E? Do you have a marriage and death for her?
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