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Hi,
I am really struggling to find one of my ancestors, Florence Smith born c.1883-84. I have her Marriage Cert, dated 1904, married George Mason at St Andrews Church, Parish of St Andrews Birmingham.

This marriage states that Florence lives at 17 Greenway St and George lives at 15 Greenway Street but I cannot find either of these addresses in the 1901 census.

Another confusing aspect is that the the marriage cert states that Florences fathers name and occupation is Florence Smith, Brewer! I believe this must be a typo but it certainly does not help my search. If anyone could help me I would be eternally grateful!

What was Georges age, fathers name and occupation please

Andy

Do you have the couple in 1911 for reference re Florence's birth place??

1911?

MASON, George Head Married M 30 1881 Engineers Labourer Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
MASON, Florence Wife Married
7 years F 27 1884 Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
MASON, Ethel Daughter F 7 1904 School Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
MASON, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 School Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
MASON, George Thomas Son M 5 1906 Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17265 Reference:
RG14PN17265 RG78PN1060 RD371 SD2 ED10 SN228

Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Oldbury Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Oldbury

Address:
67 Wellesley Road Oldbury County:
Staffordshire

George was 23, Occ Laborer, Father George Mason, Occ Iron Workers Foreman

Thanks

Thanks for the 1911 census K. Im just struggling to get back and find Florences Parents really and due to the confusion on the marriage cert Im finding it hard to follow anything with any conviction. The info provided by Ann is possible but as I say Im just unsure of how I can be certain. If I could perhaps find the Greenway address in the 1901 census it may uncover some details (thats presuming Florence lives there at that point)

Thanks

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1891 England Census
about Florence Smith
Name: Florence Smith
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: Florence Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Summerfield Christchurch
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2374
Folio: 83
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Florence Smith 25 (Widow) Boot Repairer
Charles H Smith 8
Florence Smith 7
Albert Smith 4

1901 census

Address 56 Parsonage St Huckters Shop &Out Door License
Civil Parish Oldbury
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Christ Church
Parliamentary Borough or Division North Worcestershire
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Oldbury Urban District
Administrative County Worcestershire

Householder 1
Name Elizabeth Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Wor Oldbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Fanny Smith
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 44
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born War Birmingham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Florrie Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Wor Oldbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Janet Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Wor Oldbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Thomas Smith
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 22
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Clerk In Parcel Office Railway Employee
Employment Status
Where Born Wor Oldbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6
Name Thomas Smith
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 42
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Brewer
Employment Status
Where Born America British Subject
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name William Smith
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Laborer At Rectory Employee
Employment Status
Where Born Wor Oldbury
Language
Infirmity

1911 for parents

1911 census

Household information
Address Manchester Stores Churchbridge Oldbury Worcs
Parish Oldbury
Type of Building Public House
Number of Rooms 6
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN17259 RG78PN1060 RD371 SD2 ED4 SN273
Administrative County Staffordshire
Registration District West Bromwich
Registration Sub District Oldbury
Enumeration District 4

Householder 1
Name Thomas Smith
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / 33 Years
Total Children Born Alive 8
Children Still Living 5
Children Who Have Died 3
Gender M
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Occupation Beer House Keeper
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Petsbury U S A
Nationality British Sub

Householder 2
Name Fanny Smith
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 54
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Employed N
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Birmingham Wor

Householder 3
Name Thomas Edward Smith
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Occupation Railway Porter
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Railway
Place of Birth Oldbury Wors

Householder 4
Name Lizzie Smith
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1891
Occupation Servant At Home
Employed N
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Oldbury Wors

I think we you definitely may be on to something with your suggestions PollyPoppet! The occupation of the father and birth location are good, obviously the birth year is slightly out but that could easily be explained. It is also interesting that Thomas is quite close the Florence and so may explain the confusion on the birth cert. Does anybody have access to USA records to perhaps find Thomas Birth location/cert as he states he was born in the USA!

Thanks for your help Colin, the interesting thing about your info is that the Witnesses to the Marriage of florence and george are Philip and Doris Nind!

Thats great, thanks. Is there any way of following his history in the states to over here? i.e when he came over/who his parents are etc? Also, has anyone got any ideas of a birth cert for Florence?

This 1881 is a bit odd - two Thomas Smith's,same age, both born Pittsburg, living in same street and on consecutive pages on the census:

1881 England Census
about Thomas Smith
Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Pittsburg (For), United States

Civil parish: Oldbury
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Birm Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2838
Folio: 105
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Smith 22
Fanny Smith 23
Thomas Smith 3
Polly Smith 1


1881 England Census
about Thomas Smith
Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Pittsburgh (For), North America

Civil parish: Oldbury
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 19 Birm Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Dealer

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2838
Folio: 105
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Smith 49 Coal Dealer
Thomas Smith 24 married, age on image is 22
Janet Smith 17 b Oldbury
Harry Smith 12 b Pittsburg
Alice Bond 4 visitor

Given Fanny's POB, a possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)

Ellis Abraham Dudley 6c 164
..................Groves Fanny Dudley 6c 164
Portman Mary Ann Dudley 6c 164
....................Smith Thomas Dudley 6c 164

Thanks for the info - that 1881 census is odd, hmmmm!

I agree that the marriage cert you have found looks a good bet.

Any ideas on birth certs for Florence or anyone with access to USA data?

If you use freebmd, you will find several possible births for Florence. The registration district for Oldbury seems to be West Bromwich and there at least 3 that could be her!

thanks for your help everybody!
Not sure which birth is hers so ill probably just have to take a punt but at least Ive found some more info on her, especially her parents