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James Henry STONER 4/2/1874 married Fanny Hannah HARRIS(S) 4Q1896, Greenwich.

Children
2Q1901 Hannah Elizabeth, Greenwich
4Q1903 James John
1Q1906 Jessie Amanda, Greenwich
1Q1909 Robert Holdiway, Greenwich
and four more later, all Greenwich RD

The 1911 census transcription doesn't show James John (I don't have a subscription so can't see the original). He married in 1927 and died in 1974.

There was a 4Q1903 Camberwell birth James but he appears in 1911 as son of the late Frank STONER and Frances nee JONES who married 3Q1890 St .Saviour.

I found two James John births, DRAY and GRIFFITHS, in Greenwich RD in 4Q1903-1Q1904 but both died aged 0 in 3Q1904.

So I'm seeking help with James John's birth and 1911 census entry.

Thanks, Alan Stoner

the 1911 census says they had 3 children all living

STONER, James Henry Head Married M 37 1874 Jobbing Hand At Any Work Deptford VIEW
STONER, Fanny Wife Married
14 years F 34 1877 Deptford VIEW
STONER, Hannah Daughter Single F 10 1901 Kent VIEW
STONER, Jessie Daughter F 5 1906 VIEW
STONER, Robert Son M 2 1909 VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2634 Reference:
RG14PN2634 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED11 SN217

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Deptford East Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
St Paul Deptford

Address:
11 Crossfield St Deptford County:
London

maddie

The image says that they had 3 children all living

STONER, James Henry Head Married M 37 1874 Jobbing Hand At Any Work Deptford
STONER, Fanny Wife Married
14 years F 34 1877 Deptford VIEW
STONER, Hannah Daughter Single F 10 1901 Kent
STONER, Jessie Daughter F 5 1906
STONER, Robert Son M 2 1909
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2634 Reference:
RG14PN2634 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED11 SN217

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Deptford East Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
St Paul Deptford

Address:
11 Crossfield St Deptford County:
London

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Tesse Amanda Stoner
Name: Jesse Amanda Stoner
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1906
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1906
Father's name: James Henry Stoner
Mother's name: Fanny Stoner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham
5 Black Horse

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Do you have James's fathers name from his marriage cert?

The marriage cert of James Henry 22 and Fanny Hannah 19 on Christmas Day 1896 shows him to be a wireweaver.
The father column for his father is left blank.
Name: James Henry Stoner
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Fanny Hannah Harriss
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1896
Parish: St Paul, Deptford
County: London
Borough: Lewisham
Spouse Father Name: George Harriss

maybe he is this family
STONER, Frances Wife Widow F 39 1872 Charing London Lambeth VIEW
STONER, Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic Servant Camberwell VIEW
STONER, Charles Son M 12 1899 School Camberwell VIEW
STONER, Florence Daughter F 10 1901 School Camberwell VIEW
STONER, James Son M 7 1904 School Camberwell VIEW
STONER, William Son M 1 1910 Camberwell VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2545 Reference:
RG14PN2545 RG78PN86 RD27 SD5 ED2 SN295

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Peckham North Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
113 Ormside St Peckham Camberwell S E County:
London

EDIT I see you quoted this family already ;-)

This would fit the 1911 census and a birth date of Nov1903
Name: STONER, James
Registration District: Camberwell
County: London
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 1D
Page No: 911

There is this one with son Jim but he was registered as Jim

1911

STONER, James Head Marrd M 43 1868 Boatman Brighton Sussex VIEW
STONER, Eliza Wife F 41 1870 Henley on Thames VIEW
STONER, Fred Son Single M 19 1892 Gardener Domestic Henley on Thames VIEW
STONER, Raymond Son Single M 17 1894 Milk Carrier Medmenham Bucks VIEW
STONER, Mabel Daughter Single F 15 1896 Henley on Thames VIEW
STONER, Hilda May Daughter F 13 1898 School Henley on Thames VIEW
STONER, Jim Son M 7 1904 School Medmenham Bucks VIEW
STONER, Mary Dorothy Daughter F 5 1906 School Henley on Thames VIEW
STONER, Maggie Daughter Single F 2 1909 Henley on Thames VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8047 Reference:
RG14PN8047 RG78PN406 RD150 SD1 ED13 SN20

Registration District:
Henley Sub District:
Henley Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Henley upon Thames

Address:
41 Reading Road Henley-On-Thames County:
Oxfordshire

same family 1901
STONER, Frank Head Married M 30 1871 General Labourer
Brighton
Sussex VIEW
STONER, Frances Wife Married F 29 1872
Bermondsey
London VIEW
STONER, Sarah Daughter Single F 6 1895
Camberwell
London VIEW
STONER, Charles Son Single M 2 1899
Camberwell
London VIEW
STONER, Florence Daughter Single F 0 (2W) 1901
Camberwell
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
511 Folio:
153 Page:
39

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Peckham Enumeration District:
47 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Camberwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
28, Penarth Street, Camberwell County:
London

Thers no birth reg for a James John Stoner 1903/1904

Who did he marry in 1927??

Hannah's baptism...??

Name: Hannah Elizabeth Stiner
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 29 May 1901
Father's name: James Stiner
Mother's name: Fanny Hannah Stiner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham

Address is 9 Giffen Street.
She was born29 April 1901.

If James was her brother, one might expect that he was baptised in Deptford too.?

Gwyn

??
Name: STONER, James
Registration District: Help Camberwell
County: London
Year of Registration: 1927
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Drinkall
Volume No: Help 1D
Page No: Help 865

Name: DRINKALL, Lilian M
Registration District: Camberwell
County: London
Year of Registration: 1927
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Stoner
Volume No: 1D
Page No: 865
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Name: STONER, James J
Registration District: Help Greenwich
County: London
Year of Registration: 1927
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Youngman
Volume No: Help 1D
Page No: Help 1074

Name: YOUNGMAN, Alice F L
Registration District: Greenwich
County: London
Year of Registration: 1927
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Stoner
Volume No: 1D
Page No: 1074

Bad writing !!!!

Name: James John Stowe
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1903
Father's name: James Henry Stowe
Mother's name: Fanny Hannah Stowe
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham

Birthdate is 14 November 1903
Address is 5 Hamer Place ?


Gwyn

Brilliant find Gwyn

Where did he go?

Kay

Thanks for all of that. I didn't have the baptisms.

He married Alice YOUNGMAN as shown in one of the posts.

James Henry 1874's father is unknown. His mother was Mary Ann STONER (shown on the IGI site). I think her birth was 2Q1854 Mary Ann STONER, Greenwich 1d 535 and the 1871 census has a possible aged 17 granddaughter of George and Elizabeth HURLEY (HARLEY?) but I haven't made that connection.

Alan

And yet they state only 3 children & born all living on the 1911 census !! how strange

Shirley... That is very odd. How could they forget !

Name: James Henry Stoner
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1874
Baptism Date: 1 Mar 1874 ....... born 4 February 1874
Mother's name: Mary Ann Stoner .... a single woman
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham

Address was 2 Blackhorse Fields


Gwyn

Gwyn
I am wondering if they didnt register his birth ,(which looks probable) then they covered their tracks by leaving him off the 1911 census in case they were found out.