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Can someone please check this for me?
I am hoping it is my great-grandmother Caroline living with Edward or Rebecca SAYER.

birth: 1854 —Maidstone, Kent
residence: 1861 —Maidstone, Maidstone, Kent, England
census: 1861 —Maidstone, Maidstone, Kent, England
record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name:... Sayer
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Granddaughter
birthplace: Maidstone, Kent
record type: Household
registration district: Maidstone
sub-district: 4 West Maidstone
ecclesiastical parish: St Peters
civil parish: Maidstone
county: Kent

Many thanks.

1861 census -

PEARSON, Philadelphia Head Widow F 80 1781
Sussex VIEW
SAYER, ... Granddaughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Maidstone
Kent VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
501 Folio:
36 Page:
32

Registration District:
Maidstone Sub District:
4 West Maidstone Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peters

Civil Parish:
Maidstone Municipal Borough:
Maidstone Address:
St Peters Street, Maidstone County:
Kent

I have looked at the original and it looks like Philadelphia (named after her grandmother?)???

On FMP the only Caroline Sayer (including variants) born 1854, +/- 4 years in Kent is the following -

SAYERS, James Head Married M 37 1824 Butler
Ifield
Sussex VIEW
SAYERS, Caroline Wife Married F 32 1829 Lodging House Keeper
London
Middlesex VIEW
SAYERS, Sarah Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Leamington
Warwickshire VIEW
SAYERS, Caroline Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Tonbridge
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, Emma Daughter F 4 1857
Tonbridge
Kent VIEW
SAYERS, James S Son M 1 1860
Tonbridge
Kent VIEW
CAMFIELD, Amelia Servant Unmarried F 18 1843 General Servant
Tonbridge
Kent VIEW
STEVENS, Sophia Servant Unmarried F 22 1839 General Servant
Withyham
Sussex VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
492 Folio:
67a Page:
2

Registration District:
Tunbridge Sub District:
1 Tunbridge Wells Enumeration District:
11D Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
Tonbridge Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Blenham Place, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells County:
Kent

She is the only one in 1871 too??

If you have more information perhaps we could help you find her?

Dear Lynski,

thank you for that...

back to the drawing board.

I have Caroline's 2 marriages in Australia 1873 & 1875 both state she was born in Horsham Victoria, her death was filled in by her 2nd husband in 1906 aged 52, he stated she had lived for 2 years in England and 50 years in Australia, I have not found a birth in Australia so I am checking England,
her father Thomas was from Birchington Kent, her brother William Henry Sayer was born in 1852 in Kent to Thomas Sayer and Eliza Page.

Shipping record's:Thomas Carpenter by trade 34,Eliza-23,children:Thomas-6,William-1 arrived in Australia in December 1852 aboard BOMBAY
Code B- Fiche 020- Page 008.

Thomas aged 6 is Eliza's son (PAGE)

Thomas-38,Eliza-27,children:Thomas-10,William-4 arrived in Australia in November 1855 aboard ANGLESEY Code B- Fiche 101- Page 002.

still no Caroline, her mother died in Australia in 1856, Thomas stated that Caroline was 18 months old.

1851 census for reference -

SAYER, Thomas Head Married M 33 1818 Laborer
Birchington Kent
SAYER, Eliza Wife Married F 22 1829
Charing Kent
PAGE, Thomas M 5 1846 Scholar Charing Kent
MAULDER, Stephen Unmarried M 21 1830 Ag Lab St Lawrence
Kent
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1629 Folio:
263 Page:
19

Registration District:
Isle of Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Johns Baptist Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Churchfield Cottages, Charlotte Place, St Johns Baptist, Margate County:
Kent

yes that is Caroline's mum, dad and step-brother..

thank you

Found this on familysearch.org??


Caroline Sarah Sayer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Margate, Kent, England
parents: Thomas Sayer, Eliza

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Caroline Sarah Sayer
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Jun 1855
baptism/christening place: St. John the Baptist, Margate, Kent, England
father's name: Thomas Sayer
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: I02356-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1866679

it may be worth the money....

would be wonderful if that is her.

thank you so very much.

That is a baptism record but I cannot find a birth registration?? I have even gone back to 1850 in case she was baptised later??

Maybe her birth wasn't registered??

Hi Lynski,

thanks for checking...I was hoping I may have found it by myself, but couldn't, will just have to keep going back to check.

your input has been wonderful and the name of Caroline Sarah makes more sense than what the cemetery has of Caroline Stella.

Cheers!

There are two baptisms in St Johns, Margate to Thomas and Eliza. One as above for Caroline Sarah as already posted and brother William dated 18 January 1852.

The details of the marriage in St Johns are as follows:-
12 October 1850 by Banns
Thomas Sayer (Widower) of full age, Labourer, son of Edward, Labourer
Eliza Page (Spinster) of full age, daughter of Thomas, Groom.

Hope this helps

They were both of this Parish.
The witnesses were Caroline Page (sister?) and George Dixon

Thank you Choccy,

that is wonderful news and after so many years you and Lynski have finally found her!

Thank you just some how just doesn't seem enough.

I am so very happy and so glad I finally have an answer....

BRILLIANT work from both of you.

I have found the 1st marriage of Thomas SAYER to Sarah CHAPMAN in Dec 1838 in Isle of Thanet, Kent...

also her death in September 1846, but finding it very hard to try and find if there were any children born to them?

also Sarah's age at death which may help in tracking her birth.

Many thanks if someone can add any information or where I can check.

For reference -

Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Sarah Isle of Thanet 5 621
SAYERS Thomas Isle Of Thanet 5 621

????
1841 census (keeping in mind the 1841 age rounding) -

SAYER, Thomas M 20 1821 Kent VIEW
SAYER, Sarah F 20 1821 Kent VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
468 Book/Folio:
5/59 Page:
13

Registration District:
Isle of Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St John the Baptist Margate Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lawrence House, St John The Baptist Margate County:
Kent

thanks once again Lynski....

I would say that, if they had any children then they probably didn't survive because thomas doesn't have any with him in 1851??

There are a lot of births and deaths between 1838 and 1846 in the district of Thanet on FreeBMD.

I have tried checking some of them on familysearch org to see if I can match the parents but nothing so far............

it's a wonder I didn't run into you there...

I have the death of Thomas but there is no mention of his 1st marriage,
so yes I would say there were probably no children.

I think I need a bigger shovel..LOL

Marriage as transcribed KFHS

Thomas Sayers (sic) married Sarah Chapman by Banns on
18 December 1838 at Birchington
They were both recorded as being of full age!
He was a bachelor (otp) son of Edward
She was a spinster (-) daughter of William
Both fathers were labourers
Witnesses William Love, R'd. Busbridge

I can find no baptisms for the couple either in Birchington or Margate.

There appears to be only one likely burial for Sarah Sayer and that is in Bichington dated 7 April 1850. She was stated to be 33 years of age and brought from Margate.

There is a baptism record for a Sarah Chapman in Birchington dated 7 March 1819 daughter of William & Sarah.