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Thank you all SO much. Lynski, your mind worked the same as mine so this a.m. I looked for a marriage and found it. The reason I thought it may have been James in the 'institution' was because when my grand-mother talked to my dad about 'Uncle Jimmy' when I was a child it was always with a 'lovable rogue' sort of attitude!
Glitter Baby, thank you. You've got the lot who were still at home in 1911. You've also answered a silent question, again from childhood, why did my gran ALWAYS refer to Aunt Maryann and not just Aunt Mary. Now I know. And you found the same birth record I did for James Valentine.
Karen in the desert, I WASN'T sure about James having been a 'naughty boy' but see above. You have, however, put into my mind the idea of checking the 1901 census for James' grandparents in case I'm misjudging him!! And to all of you, my great-grandfather seems to have changed David and Richard around at will, possibly to avoid confusion with his son of the same name.
Thank you all again. Warmest wishes, Kathy.

Baptism record on Ancestry

Name: James Valentine Phillips
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1889
Father's name: David Phillips
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Phillips
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Luke
Borough: Tower Hamlets


Born 13th August 1889
92 Eastfield St
David is a labourer

Did James marry? If so, who?

I think that this is the marriage for the James Valentine born in Durham?

Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Johnson Elizabeth Phillips Gateshead 10a 2119
Phillips James V Johnson Gateshead 10a 2119

I've been looking at the 1901 aswell - and I'm not fully convinced it's THE James Phillips, he's only 10 and there's no specific birthplace for him, it's a bit vague.
He may have been with grandparents or in hospital? Am looking but there's a ton of Phillips'.

K

I cannot find a birth record for your James Valentine Phillips born in 1889.

Where has your information come from?

There is one James Valentine Phillips ( but his parents are Thomas and Christianna (in 1901 census living in Gateshead, Durham).

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
PHILLIPS James Valentine Gateshead 10a 959

1901 census -
PHILLIPS, James Inmate Single M 10 1891 Inmate Boy's Home
Middlesex
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
135 Folio:
131 Page:
5

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
Regent's Park Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mark's Regents Park

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
St Pancras County:
London

How do you know that this is your James Valentine????

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
BARRETT Elizabeth Ann Bethnal Green 1c 511
PHILLIPS David Richard Bethnal Green 1c 511

Phillips was a very popular name in 1911!!!
I've looked through all and agree with Lynski that this is the closest match, despite David Richard being listed as Richard...

1911.
PHILLIPS, Richard Head Married 30 years M 49 1862 Dock Foreman Stepney
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Wife F 48 1863 Bethnel Green
PHILLIPS, James Son Single M 21 1890 No Occupation Limehouse
PHILLIPS, Maryann Daughter F 14 1897 Apprentice To Tailoress
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth F 10 1901 School
PHILLIPS, Alfred Son M 9 1902

RG number: RG14
Piece: 1641
Reference: RG14PN1641 RG78PN57 RD21 SD2 ED25 SN136

Registration District: Mile End Old Town
Sub District: Mile End Old Town North Eastern
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: Mile End Old Town

Address:
94 Canal Road, Mile End, E
County: London

K.

1901 census -

PHILLIPS, David R Head Married M 38 1863 Dock Laborer
Stepney
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Eliza A Wife Married F 37 1864
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, David R Son Single M 17 1884 Match Factory Hand
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Mary C A Daughter Single F 15 1886 Match Factory Hand
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, George Son Single M 13 1888 Packer Tea Warehouse
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, John W Son Single M 11 1890
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Maud A Daughter Single F 4 1897
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Eliza A Daughter Single F 0 (9 MOS) 1901
Limehouse
London VIEW
BARRETT, Henry J Father-In-Law Widower M 71 1830
Poplar
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
320 Folio:
48 Page:
35

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Limehouse Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Johns

Civil Parish:
Limehouse Municipal Borough:
Address:
70, Eastfield Street, Limehouse County:
London

Is this them in 1911?????

PHILLIPS, Richard Head Married
30 years M 49 1862 Dock Foreman Stepney VIEW
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Wife F 48 1863 Bethnel Green VIEW
PHILLIPS, James Son Single M 21 1890 No Occupation Limehouse VIEW
PHILLIPS, Maryann Daughter F 14 1897 Apprentice To Tailoress VIEW
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth F 10 1901 School VIEW
PHILLIPS, Alfred Son M 9 1902 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1641 Reference:
RG14PN1641 RG78PN57 RD21 SD2 ED25 SN136

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town North Eastern Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
94 Canal Road Mile End E County:
London


Original census states 12 children born, 5 died

1891 census for reference (ages of parents etc)

PHILLIPS, David Head Married M 29 1862 General Labourer
Stepney
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 28 1863
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Richard Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, Maria Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, George Son M 3 1888
Limehouse
London VIEW
PHILLIPS, James Son M 1 1890
Limehouse
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
294 Folio:
31 Page:
13

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Limehouse Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
Limehouse Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
76, Eastfield Street, Limehouse, London, Tower Hamlets County:
London

James Valentine Phillips b.13/08/1889. Parents David Richard Phillips and Elizabeth Ann Phillips. In 1891 he was with his family at Eastfield Street, Tower Hamlets. In 1901 he seems to be in a boys 'institution' in St. Pancras. Can anyone help me to find out where he was in 1911? And does anyone know if I can find out why he was in the 'institution' when all his siblings were at home? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Kathy.