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Hi

A bit stuck - and this is my second request for help albeit on another side of the family.

I have a Joseph McEwan (who sometimes later in life [census] calls himself John occassionally [also some of his children have been refrred to as McEwen. MC has him marrying in 1870 to elizabth Murray in greenock. I have his DC as being in Johnstone renfrew in 1920. His MC has his Dad as Charles McEwan and Mum as Mary Smith.

Can't find any birth intel on irish or scottish record - have tried wildcards on Scotland's people.

Also - unlike the rest of my Tree - there are limited reatives on GR - so i can't even get a leg up that way.

Any advice or help would as evr be appreciated.

Have you found him in any of the censuses?
Thanks

2 of his children for reference.

1. HUGH MCDONALD MCEWAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 NOV 1873 Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
2. CHARLES MCEWAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 AUG 1871 Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland


1881 Scotland Census about Joseph McEwan
Name: Joseph McEwan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth McEwan
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil parish: Greenock Middle
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 36 Vennel
Occupation: Carpenter
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_164
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph McEwan 36
Elizabeth McEwan 29
Charles McEwan 9
Hugh Mc D McEwan 7
Peter McEwan 5
Joseph McEwan 2

1851 Scotland Census about Joseph Mcewan
Name: Joseph Mcewan
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Charles Mcewan
Mother's name: Mary Mcewan
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewr
Parish Number: 564
Civil parish: Greenock West
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 12 High Vennel Lambs Land
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 83
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1851_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Mcewan 50 Where born: Ireland, Occupation: Gas Fitter Journeyman
Mary Mcewan 48 b Ireland, Occupation: Fenk Dealer
Maryann Mcewan 20
Charles Mcewan 19
Theresa Mcewan 7
Joseph Mcewan 4
Charlotte Hardey 32
Catherine Oneil 20


Perhaps his birth was never registered.


Family in 1841.

1841 Scotland Census about Mary Mcewan
Name: Mary Mcewan
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Greenock St Andrews
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Vennel
Parish Number: 564
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Mcewan 35
Charles Mcewan 10
Maryann Mcewan 12
Charlotte Harvey 20
Agnes Smith 70
Mary MacKledowie 40

Hi

Mega thanks - interstingly - Dad doesn't seem to be about in 1841- but this seems strong evidence of the famil;y presence - and the vennel as the place they lived links with 1881. will get this into GR and see if any hot links happen

also agnes smith - i Mary's maiden name was smith

Hi All

Any idea what a fenk dealer would be - Google has it as something to do with whale blubber.

As you have Charles in the Cesus you should be able to find a death in Scotlandspeople.

Ellen

Joseph was born before Civil registration started in Scotland but the births of the older children should be on scotlandspeople and one of their birth certs will give you when and where Charles and Mary married.

No children born after 1855 to Charles and Mary.If Charles died before 1855 then a poor relief record may help.Mitchell Library,Glasgow will do a seach if you can't visit.Fee involved.

Ellen

1861
Name: Mary Mcewen
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil parish: Greenock Middle
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 7 Market Street
Occupation: Draper
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_76
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Mcewen 60
Mary A Mcewen 30
Charles Mcewen 26
Teanesa Mcewen 17
Joseph Mcewen 14

MAary 's death should be found in Scotland's people,and i think she may have claimed poor relief.

Ellen

Strange - Mary Mcewan still living at home

Re the occup[ation - 'Fenk dealer'

The Scottish census are very badly transcribed on Ancestry and you cannot check the image.

Images are available, I think, pay to view on ScotlandsPeople.

I have found this which 'may' be what it is meant to be on the Old Occupations site:

'Fent Dealer' Dealer in "Fents" - cloth remnants, ends of bolts of cloth etc

This would seem to be more appropriate perhaps??

Dea x

Ahh, - I see that Mary was a Draper on 1861 which makes the 'Fent dealer' for 1851 look about right !

Draper - Dealer in fabrics and sewing goods - in use today. From the French "drap-de-Berry", a woollen cloth coming from Berry in France

Dea x

Mary McEwan nee Smith death should be in Scotlandspeople.

Ellen

1871
Name: Mary McEwan
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil parish: Greenock Middle
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 11 Cross Shore Street
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_97
Household Members: Name Age
Mary McEwan 70
Mary Ann McEwan 25
Thoresa McDonald 26
Hugh McDonald 5 MO
Mary I McDonald 4
Bridget Morgan 50

1881 not found Mary McEwan nee Smith

Ellen

There is 1Match for a Mary McEwan other surname Smith in Greenock between 1871-1881 .Sorry not a unit left to look.That's your Mary Smith.Father John Smith -Labourer .No Mother given.

Ellen

Charles McEwan died 1857 Greenock.

Ellen

Cool - now to find other on GR who may have looked for them - but am not hopeful

Thanks to you all - i have made more progress in the last 48 hours than i have in 48 months

....and this is even stranger - Jospehs son Hugh (who is my gg grandpa) is called Hugh McDonald McEwan. Here we see his sister Theresa called McDonald - with two kids. So clearly there must have been an affinity for this McDonald chap as the brother of the new Mrs Mcdonald naemd his son after him