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Thanks everyone - seems that nobody can find her and her children. Maybe they were at sea sailing from South Africa to the UK.

Sorry but I knew of the Cory's but didn't know that lived adjacent to their brother/uncle and the name Fridrich Richert 12 without Cory surprised me. I wouldn't have suspected him there (and being daft wouldn't have recognised the Cory surname initially). Sorry to be seen to be unappreciative of your researches on my behalf. But William & Mary Ann were negotiating with the Boer generals and met Winston Churchill in Lindley before their town was burnt down by the British in their scorched earth policy. No record of the return sailing but nan was "packed off" to help her "poor" sister that had been so much in the "last two years" according to the letter written by the sisters' father JLC Brooke.

The person who has John Loombe Cory is called Frank. Forgive me for being stupid, but you seem to be called John??

If you knew all that, why did you ask 'who on earth is Frederick'?

Sorry folks my son has just broken his femur during an IronMan triathlon in Nice, France and so I've been offline all day.

The idiot who has John Loombe Cory b1875 is me and I'm afraid to tell you that I knew all that lot. It took me years even though I too live in Kings Lynn. The father of the Cory family died in 1886 and Emma moved adjacent to her brother John Loombe Culham Brooke - I didn't know that!

BUT still no sign of the Africans is there. Someone asked where the father was born - 26 Feb 1864, at 299, Parliamentary Road, Glasgow, Scotland. In case anyone needs to use ScotlandsPeople - it's great but I can't get started with my lost folk.

Does your Brooke line tie in with these Brookes?


John Loombe Cory b1875 is on someone's tree on Genes.

1851
Name: Emma Brooke
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Brooke
Mother's name: Jane Brooke
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Kings Lynn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn North

John Brooke 37
Jane Brooke 35
Robert Brooke 11
Elizabeth Brooke 7
John Brooke 5
Lamb Brooke 3
Emma Brooke 2
Wattie Brooke 9 MO

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1881
Name: Emma M. Cory
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter C. Cory
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Kings Lynn St Margaret
County/Island: Norfolk
Street Address: 7 Stanley St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: King'S Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn North

Walter C. Cory 34
Emma M. Cory 32
Florence E. Cory 8
Albert W. Cory 7
John L. Cory 6
Fredk. R. Cory 2
Mabel J. Cory
Mary A. Moses 16


Births Jun 1847

Cory Walter Chapman Norwich 13 237

Here's a connection possibly:

Marriages Mar 1871

Brooke Emma Mary C King's L. 4b 543

Cory Walter Chapman King's L. 4b 543

Also from FreeBMD,
it should be Florence Emma B rather than Frances.

One of the Cory children reg'd in Kings Lynn is

Cory John Loombe King's L. 4b 331 (1875)

so looks like there's a family connection.

John,

when was the father William born and where?

Dee x

On the original it looks like Frederick Robert Coy(?) - visitor -and it's the same surname as Frances Emma on the next page.


EDIT from FreeBMD it's Frederick Robert Cory, birth reg'd Kings Lynn

John,

looking at the original1891 census I can just make out that it states;

Mary Ann Jane Spence visitor.

The Broche family look more likely to be Brooke.

And someone has put aa alternate name for Calham Broche; John Loombe Culham Brooke


Dee x

Maybe I'm wrong and the Enumerator was reading a Gaelic equivalent "Mary Ann Fanrsfeuar". John & father William perhaps in Elgin together with the same variation in 1891 and all of them in 1901? Am I grabbing at straws?

Who on earth was "Fridrich Richert 12 " in the middle of nan's family in 1891?

Thanks folks - I'd got all that and my supposition is that "John Loombe Culham Brooke" b 10:20am 12 Nov 1890 at Brook Cottage, Moycroft, Elgin, Moray was with the family elsewhere (with the g'parents back in Elgin.

Interesting what a jumble of names there was in 1891 - correct but spelt strangely. I've seen the Head of Households handwriting so either the enumerator had poor writing or the transcription to computer was poor.

Still no sign of them on either England or Scotland's censuses in 1901?

Parents marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1887 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>BROOKE Mary Ann J Strand 1b 692
GARDNER Mary Ann Strand 1b 692
SPENCE William Strand 1b 692
>>>>>>>WRIGHT George Strand 1b 692

Hi John,

for info only;

1891 England Census
about Alice Fanrsfeuar Name: Alice Fanrsfeuar
[Alice Spence]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Clement Danes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Danes
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 217
Folio: 108
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Calham Broche 45
Mary Broche 47
John Broche 22
Laombe Broche 21
Albert Broche 13
Fridrich Richert 12
Robert W Breck 11
Waller W Breck 8
Florence E Breck 7
Mary Ann Fanrsfeuar 21
[Mary Ann Jane Spence] born New Castle

Alice Fanrsfeuar 3

William T H Tfierner 2
(William T H Spence] born Scotland

Frances Emma Cary 18
Charles Wyatt 28


No John with them so was he born later??

What were the initials of your nan's parents? There's an "infant" Brooke sailing in 1901with a Mr & Mrs C J Brooke on the SS Yarrawonga. It's going from Sydney to London, but they got on it in Cape Town.

I know that they quit SA before Nov 1901 as nan was with them then. I have them on the Braemar Castle sailing back from Southampton Sept 1902. They were said to be in England & Scotland for 2 years and so I imagined that be on some census but ......

I cannot yet see them.
You have Iris born 1900 in South Africa, after the Boer War had started. Could the family have arrived in England after the 1901 census?

In the Spence group is Florence Wylie Spence and nan who was possibly with them for part of their evacuation was either Florence Wylie Brooke or Emma Florence Wylie Brooke.

John