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Help please for birth record of James Grey

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Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:17

I am searching for the birth record of my great grandfather James Grey about 1867/1969?
He married Kate Winser in 1898 in Dover and they had 2 children Lucy and Frederick. His father is shown as Charles Grey a domestic coachman. On the 1911 census Kate and the children were living in Ludgershall, Hants but there is no mention of James. At the time of his daughter Lucy's marriage to Ernest Waters in 1918 he is shown as an employee of the NACB which I believe is the Navy & Army Catering Board. He died in 1934 at the age of 67 in Ludgershall.

Any help would be appreciated

Dea

Dea Report 6 Jul 2011 16:24

1911 (for reference):

GREY, Kate Head Married 15 years M 33 1878 Kent Dover
GREY, Lucy Daughter F 12 1899 School Kent Dover
GREY, Frederick Son M 11 1900 School Kent Dover


RG14PN12059 RG78PN673 RD251 SD2 ED9 SN76

Registration District:
Pewsey Sub District:
Collingbourne Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Ludgershall

Address:
4 Lansdowne Villas Ludgershall Andover County:
Wiltshire

Dea x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 Jul 2011 16:34

I see the problem - presumably he is away working. Is this Kate do youn think? Doesn't entirely match.

1901 England Census

Name: Kate Grey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dover

Civil parish: Dover
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Dover
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: St James

Kate Grey 28
Lucy Grey 2
James Grey 1
Joseph Jackson 26
Mary Jackson 27
Kate Crowley 30


Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:36

Thanks Dea

I also have a copy of the 1901 census and James is not showing on that one either.

Lesley

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Jul 2011 16:38

Putting this here as a possible while I search further

Did James have a middle name ?

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Marriages Sep 1897 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Crowley Catherine - Brentford 3a 291 ...... ...???
Gardiner Emily Louisa Brentford 3a 291
Gray James Frederick - Brentford 3a 291..............???
HEARN Jeremiah Brentford 3a 291

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:39

Hi Pam

Yes this is the same family, only son James is actually Frederick James, but still no mention of his dad James.

Lesley

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 Jul 2011 16:40

Who are the witnesses on the marriage cert?
Jan

Dea

Dea Report 6 Jul 2011 16:41

Has Jan posted the correct 1901 please or do you have a different one?

If you do, could you please post it for reference.

Dea x

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:45

Hi Jan

The witnessess on their marriage certificae are:

Louisa Grigg
Elizabeth Carter

Lesley

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Jul 2011 16:47



In view of the marriage of Catherine Crowley in 1897,
I Noticed that there is a Kate Crowley in the 1901 census living with Kate Grey. What relationship does it give ?

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:48

Hi Mike

I have a copy of James and Kate's marriage certificte and there is no middle name shown for James nor on his death certificate.

Lesley

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:50

Hi Dea

Yes the info Jan has given for 1901 census is correct except son James is actuall Frederick James.

Lesley

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 16:52

Hi Mike

Kate Crowley is listed as a border on the 1901 census.

Lesley

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Jul 2011 16:53

Could this be James ?

Household:1881

Charles GREY Head M Male 45 Shipton Moyne, Gloucester, England Carter
Charlotte GREY Wife M Female 30 Bickley, Devon, England Carters Wife
************James GREY Son U Male 14 Henbury, Gloucester, England General Lab
Aaron M. GREY Son Male 9 Henbury, Gloucester, England Scholar
Hester E. GREY Daur Female 4 Henbury, Gloucester, England
Charles H. GREY Son Male 2 Henbury, Gloucester, England
Alice Maud GREY Daur Female 5 m Henbury, Gloucester, England


Census Place Henbury, Gloucester, England

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Jul 2011 16:55

This one covers Henbury in Gloucestershire.

Births Sep 1866
Gray James - Clifton 6a 131

Astra

Astra Report 6 Jul 2011 16:56

Or this one

GREY, Charles Head M 30 1841 Surrey VIEW >>>>>Carman
GREY, Margarett Wife F 30 1841 Surrey VIEW
GREY, Mary Ann Daughter F 9 1862 Surrey VIEW
GREY, Charles Son M 7 1864 Surrey VIEW
GREY, Robert Son M 5 1866 Surrey VIEW
GREY, James Son M 1 1870 Surrey VIEW


Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Union Place, Newington County:
London, Surrey

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Jul 2011 17:00

He died in 1934 at the age of 67 making his DOB c1867 ( 1866 if he hadn't had a birthday that year)

Deaths Mar 1934
Grey James- 67 - Andover 2c 361


What age did he put on his marriage cert ?

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 17:03

Hi all

As James does not appear on the census records, I am not able to confirm where he was born so I cannot say for sure if any you have mentioned are him, more sthe pity.

Lesley

Astra

Astra Report 6 Jul 2011 17:11

What was his occupation on the marriage certificate?

Lesley

Lesley Report 6 Jul 2011 17:15

Hi Astra

His occuption was a milkman.

Lesley