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If she didn't know who her father was then there wouldn't be 2 entries anyway

patchem, you are correct about there only being one name in the index for Isabella and it implies she had not been married before,
but the cert is still the best way to be 100% sure that the family you found in Durham is the correct one eg, her age at time of marriage, her fathers name and occupation, and even sometimes witness's names can be invaluable.

Tony Blair implied sadam had weapons of mass destruction and look where that got us :-)

Roy

The marriage in free bmd does not show two possible names for Isabella - i.e. not an original maiden name, and subsequent married name before marrying Mr Saich, which implies she had not been married before - unless recordings of 2 surnames does not show in bmd until later years?
Interestingly, there is a birth for a Saich/Kirby, but before that 1943 marriage, but with child's name Dorothy. Make of that what you will.

Carol, as you have said that Kirby was the surname of her previous husband then the chances of her birth/maiden name being Kirby?is about a million to one, so the family in the 1911 census will probably not be your Isabella Kirby, Shotton is not that small and you have no proof that she was born their, you only no? she was from county durham

i say it again you need the marriage cert

Roy

thanks everyone for your help. the village was very small annd think it would be very strange to have 2 sets of families with children of same names and ages.so i am sure patchem got it right.

and there will be plenty of Isabellas with a sister Dorothy.

In order to be sure that Kirby was her maiden name, you should start with the marriage certificate showing her father's name and occupation, and work backwards.

Carol, if Kirby was a previous husbands name then the birth info for Isabella Kirby above is wrong and not your Isabella.

Roy

Findings as in what in the info i gave at the begining, MIKE. I only said i couldnt find her BIRTH. Didnt know if she had been married before and Kirby was a previous husbands name as couldnt find her birth. Thank you PATCHEM, ur i think your census find is correct as i know she had an older sister Dorothy.

Carol, by the way

Nice to have my findings confirmed

people on here can help with searches and other advice but the only way to ( have your findings confirmed )

is to back the info up with written evidence eg, certs

Roy

If she was born 1904 then their is a good chance she had a previous marriage? if that is the case then following the Kirby trail could be a big mistake

you need the marriage cert

Roy

" .....Nice to have my findings confirmed .."

............but you said you couldn't find her ?????????

If she was born in December 1904, she would only be 6 in the 1911 census.

Thanx very much. Very helpful. Nice to have my findings confirmed.

Is this not her ?


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Births Jun 1904 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kirby Isabella - Easington - 10a 482


You would need to check father's name on marriage certificate.

Births Jun 1904
Kirby Isabella Easington 10a 482

Then we have a problem

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Kirby Isabella Easington 10a 482

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Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Kirby Isabella Easington 10a 468a


We would not know which is the correct one as the 1905 birth could have been a late registration

1911?
KIRBY, Thomas Head Married M 45 1866 Coal Miner Hewer Wigan Lancs
KIRBY, Isabella Wife Married 16 years F 45 1866 Winlayton North
KIRBY, Dorothy Jane Daughter F 13 1898 School Co Dur Seaham Har
KIRBY, Isabella Daughter F 7 1904 Co Dur Shotton Colliery

RG number: RG14 Piece: 30004 Reference: RG14PN30004 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED12 SN274

Registration District: Easington Sub District: Wingate Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Shotton

Address: 7 Reading Room Row Shotton Colliery County: Durham

no dont have marriage certificate. I know where and when she was born as i was born in 1946 and remember her well and after she died her husband told me where she is from and when she was born. Unfortunately he is not around anymore to ask.

If Arthur and Isabella had any children, her maiden name should be listed against their name in the GRO birth index.
As they are likely to be living, I will check and send a private message direct to you, if you wish.
You can send a lookup name to me by clicking on my name to send a message to my mailbox.

Gwyn

Name: Isabella Saich
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1952
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 385