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10 Jul 2011 10:45 |
James Dumbrell b 1838 m Hester Taylor 1865 Lewis Sussex he died 1869 How many children did they have i have Alice b 1865 Alfred 1867 Herbert 1869
Hester had three more children margaret b 1870 Kate 1873 Louise 1878 Lewis Sussex
My cousin said there was no father for these children on the certificates
Hester married William Reed Roser 31/12/1883
any advice welcomed
thank you
joyce
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10 Jul 2011 10:53 |
Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Hester DUMBRILL Head W Female 38 Lewes, Sussex, England Charwoman Alfred DUMBRILL Son Male 14 Lewes, Sussex, England Laborer Agri Herbert DUMBRILL Son Male 12 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar Margarett DUMBRILL Daur Female 10 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar Kate DUMBRILL Daur Female 7 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar Louisa DUMBRILL Daur Female 3 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar Henry J. FORD Boarder M Male 39 Brighton, Sussex, England General Laborer
Source Information: Dwelling 1 York Street Census Place Lewes St John Southover, Sussex, England
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10 Jul 2011 10:55 |
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print ALICE ROSE DUMBRELL Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: 23 OCT 1865 Christening: 28 JAN 1866 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JAMES DUMBRELL Family Mother: HESTER Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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10 Jul 2011 10:56 |
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DUMBRILL, Esther Head F 28 1843 Sussex VIEW DUMBRILL, Alfred Son M 4 1867 Sussex VIEW DUMBRILL, Herbert Son M 2 1869 Sussex VIEW DUMBRILL, Margaret L Daughter F 0 1871 Sussex VIEW TAYLOR, William Boarder M 33 1838 Sussex VIEW TAYLOR, Mary A Visitor F 17 1854 Sussex VIEW
Civil Parish: St Thomas Municipal Borough: Address: North Street, St Thomas, Lewes County: Sussex
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10 Jul 2011 10:58 |
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print KATE DUMBRELL Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: 26 NOV 1873 Christening: 15 MAR 1875 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: HESTER DUMBRELL Family Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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10 Jul 2011 11:01 |
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print MARGARET LAWERANCE DUMBRELL Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: 20 NOV 1870 Christening: 12 DEC 1870 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: HESTER DUMBRELL Family Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
Margaret's middle name is interesting. I wonder if that's a clue as to who the father was?
I can't see any baptism records for the other children.
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10 Jul 2011 11:18 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Alice R Dumbrell Name: Alice R Dumbrell Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866 Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 85
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Alfred John Dumbrell Name: Alfred John Dumbrell Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1869 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 164
ngland & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Herbert Dumbrell Name: Herbert Dumbrell Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1868 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 159
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Louisa Dumbrell Name: Louisa Dumbrell Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 190
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10 Jul 2011 12:03 |
In case you dont have these........
1911 census - household transcription Person: DUMBRELL, Herbert Address: 17 Lancaster Road Southsea Portsmouth DUMBRELL, Herbert Head Married M 42 1869 Ironmongers Vanman Sussex Lewes VIEW DUMBRELL, Jane Wife Married 19 years F 41 1870 Hants Portsmouth VIEW DUMBRELL, Alfred Son M 15 1896 Crane Boy Hants Portsmouth VIEW DUMBRELL, Grace Daughter F 7 1904 Hants Portsmouth VIEW DUMBRELL, Thomas Son M 5 1906 Hants Portsmouth VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 5597 Reference: RG14PN5597 RG78PN254 RD90 SD4 ED5 SN196 Registration District: Portsmouth Sub District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Portsmouth Address: 17 Lancaster Road Southsea Portsmouth County: Hampshire (5 children born, 4 living , 1 had died.)
1911 census - household transcription Person: DUMBRELL, Alfred Address: 74 Winter Road Eastbourne Sussex DUMBRELL, Alfred Head Married M 44 1867 Labourer Sussex Lewes VIEW DUMBRELL, Emily Wife Married 13 years F 44 1867 Surrey Caterham VIEW DUMBRELL, Thomas Son Single M 13 1898 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, John Son Single M 12 1899 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, Dorothy Daughter Single F 8 1903 Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, Henry Son Single M 10 1901 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, Edith Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, Herbert Son Single M 4 1907 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW DUMBRELL, Frederick Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Sussex Eastbourne VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 4821 Reference: RG14PN4821 RG78PN208 RD71 SD2 ED9 SN65 Registration District: Eastbourne Sub District: Eastbourne Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Eastbourne Address: 74 Winter Road Eastbourne Sussex County: Sussex (8 children born, 7 living, 1 had died.)
Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%) Barnes Emily Eastbourne 2b 194 Dumbrell Alfred Eastbourne 2b 194
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10 Jul 2011 18:50 |
prickly holly You have been busy
the last one alfred i never had a marriage for him or a family thank you very much for that
Joyce

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10 Jul 2011 18:51 |
Astra
Thanks for the info i see the name was spelt differently
Joyce 
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12 Jul 2011 09:09 |
Prickly holly
Ive found two queries since reading your replies again
I have martha jane johnson b 1869 (not jane johnson) ??
also i had margaret b 1870 as a dumbrell also died the same year but it was her christening and her surname isnt dumbrell how can i trace her father ??
many thanks joyce
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13 Jul 2011 20:07 |
Hi Joyce
Herbert Dumbrell married Martha Jane Johnson in 1891
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Dumbrell Herbert Portsea 2b 1035
She is missing from the entry but here she is.........
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Johnson Martha Jane Portsea 2b 1036
1901 England Census about Martha J Dumbrell Name: Martha J Dumbrell Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Portsmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: Portsmouth County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Portsmouth Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 199 Piece: 1004 Folio: 41 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Martha J Dumbrell 31 Charles Dumbrell 7 Born Portsea Hampshire. Alfred Dumbrell 5
On the 1911 census........it seems she preferred her middle name Jane.
Son Charles from the 1901 census, does not appear on the 1911....The 1911 also states that a child had died.
? Births Sep 1893 (>99%) Dumbrell Charles Herbert Portsea 2b 522
Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%) DUMBRELL Charles H 10 Portsmouth 2b 337
If 5 children were born and 1 had died. There must be another child somewhere?
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13 Jul 2011 20:24 |
1891 England Census about Herbert Dumbrell Name: Herbert Dumbrell Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Soldier Gender: Male Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England Civil parish: Alverstoke Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Gosport County/Island: Hampshire Country: England
Herbert Dumbrell 23
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Herbert Dumbrell Name: Herbert Dumbrell Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Age at enlistment: 18 Birth Parish: St John's Birth County: Sussex Document Year: 1885 Regimental Number: 2037 Regiment Name: Oxfordshire Lt Infantry Number of images: 34
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Herbert Dumbrell Name: Herbert Dumbrell Birth Date: abt 1868 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935 Age at Death: 67 Registration district: Portsmouth Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 740
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Martha J Dumbrell Name: Martha J Dumbrell Birth Date: abt 1870 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927 Age at Death: 57 Registration district: Portsmouth Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 900
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14 Jul 2011 09:54 |
I have manged to find the missing child!
There is only one other Dumbrell child born between 1901 and 1911.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Victor William Dumbrell Name: Victor William Dumbrell Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1902 Registration district: Portsmouth Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 499
Here he is with Martha Jane's Mother.........
1911 census - household transcription Person: DUMBRILL, Victor William Address: 73 South Brighton St Southsea JOHNSON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1843 Laundress Walditch Dorset VIEW DUMBRILL, Victor William Grandson Single M 8 1903 School Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 5594 Reference: RG14PN5594 RG78PN254 RD90 SD4 ED2 SN266 Registration District: Portsmouth Sub District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Portsmouth Address: 73 South Brighton St Southsea County: Hampshire
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14 Jul 2011 09:55 |
Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elizabeth JOHNSON Lodger (Head) M Female 38 Walditch, Dorset, England Charwoman Thomas W. SEALEY Son U Male 15 Bradpole, Dorset, England Unemployed Martha J. JOHNSON Daur Female 11 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar Bessie S. JOHNSON Daur Female 6 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar
Source Information: Dwelling 21 Hampton St Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England
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14 Jul 2011 10:01 |
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Victor W Dumbrell Name: Victor W Dumbrell Spouse Name: Ruby G I Johnson Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925 Registration district: Portsmouth Inferred County: Southampton Volume Number: 2b Page Number: 1340
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14 Jul 2011 11:14 |
You say you have Margaret Dumbrell born 1870....died the same year, but she appears in 1881 with her Mother Hester.
You could send for her birth cert to see if the father is named. The father was not named on the baptism record, so i would say doubtful that he is entered on the birth cert. She can't possibly be the daughter of James.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Margaret Lawrence Dumbrell Name: Margaret Lawrence Dumbrell Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 154
1891 England Census about Margaret Deenibrell Name: Margaret Deenibrell Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England Civil parish: Hampstead Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hampstead Sub-registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 114 Folio: 25 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Ellen W Seetgen 31 Ellen W Seetgen 12 Ada B Seetgen 11 Ethel L Seetgen 9 Mary A Sinkler 29 Alice J Fooks 29 Sarah Farr 30 Emily Farr 29 Frederick B Herbert 31 Claudia G Coxhead 23 Minnie E Dean 19 Emily Relf 14 Margaret Deenibrell 20 (Domestic Servant General)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Margaret Dumbrell Name: Margaret Dumbrell Spouse: Edwin Goodwin Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897 Registration district: Lewes Inferred County: Sussex Volume Number: 2b Page Number: 355
1901 England Census about Margaret Goodwin Name: Margaret Goodwin Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Edwin Goodwin Gender: Female Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England Civil parish: Hendon Ecclesiastical parish: West Hendon St John Town: West Hendon County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Hendon ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 73 Piece: 1228 Folio: 28 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Goodwin 28 (Milkman) Born Dorking Surrey. Margaret Goodwin 30
1911 census - household transcription Person: GOODWIN, Edwin Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire FORSTER, Jessie Head Single F 52 1859 Retired Accountant Private Means London GOODWIN, Edwin Servant Married M 38 1873 Gardener Handy Man Domestic Dorking Surrey GOODWIN, Margaret Servant Married 14 years F 40 1871 General Servant Domestic Lewes RG number: RG14 Piece: 6098 Reference: RG14PN6098 RG78PN281 RD102 SD2 ED2 SN4 Registration District: Stockbridge Sub District: Stockbridge Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Kings Somborne Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire County: Hampshire
1911 census - household transcription Person: GOODWIN, Margaret Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire FORSTER, Jessie Head Single F 52 1859 Retired Accountant Private Means London GOODWIN, Edwin Servant Married M 38 1873 Gardener Handy Man Domestic Dorking Surrey GOODWIN, Margaret Servant Married 14 years F 40 1871 General Servant Domestic Lewes RG number: RG14 Piece: 6098 Reference: RG14PN6098 RG78PN281 RD102 SD2 ED2 SN4 Registration District: Stockbridge Sub District: Stockbridge Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Kings Somborne Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire County: Hampshire
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17 Jul 2011 13:29 |
Prickly holly
I havent been well this week thank you for all the information ive just had a look on my threads and noticed you sent me more
i was told by my sister victor was adopted ??
i cant find dates and areas for thomas johnson and eliz berry who married a sealey

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19 Jul 2011 13:56 |
Hi Joyce, all i know about Victor is that he appears with his Grandmother in 1911.
This appears to be his marriage....
Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%) Dumbrell Victor W Johnson Portsmouth 2b 1340 Johnson Rose G I Dumbrell Portsmouth 2b 1340
If you do a search on Freebmd from 1925.......you will find Dumbrell/Johnson births for the children of Victor and Rose.
(It would be good if you could find a connection for him in another members tree. (Search Trees) You might be able to find if he was adopted and who adopted him.)
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19 Jul 2011 14:23 |
Here is the 1881 census again for Elizabeth Johnson....
Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elizabeth JOHNSON Lodger (Head) M Female 38 Walditch, Dorset, England Charwoman Thomas W. SEALEY Son U Male 15 Bradpole, Dorset, England Unemployed Martha J. JOHNSON Daur Female 11 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar Bessie S. JOHNSON Daur Female 6 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar
Source Information: Dwelling 21 Hampton St Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England
There are 3 families bunched together on the 1871 census...........but when viewing the image, the families are living seperately...........
Residence: 3 Gloucester Street.
1871 England Census about Thomas B Sealy Name: Thomas B Sealy Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Stepson Mother's name: Elizabeth Wilkins (Error......Elizabeth Johnson) Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Dorset, England Civil parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town Elizabeth Johnson 28 Married (Wife of Head) Charles B Sealy 8 (Stepson) Thomas B Sealy 5 (Stepson) Martha J Johnson 1 (Daughter)
I wonder if Charles and Thomas were adopted?
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