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joysie4

joysie4 Report 10 Jul 2011 10:45

James Dumbrell b 1838 m Hester Taylor 1865 Lewis Sussex he died 1869
How many children did they have i have Alice b 1865 Alfred 1867 Herbert 1869

Hester had three more children margaret b 1870 Kate 1873 Louise 1878 Lewis Sussex

My cousin said there was no father for these children on the certificates

Hester married William Reed Roser 31/12/1883

any advice welcomed

thank you

joyce

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 10:53


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Hester DUMBRILL Head W Female 38 Lewes, Sussex, England Charwoman
Alfred DUMBRILL Son Male 14 Lewes, Sussex, England Laborer Agri
Herbert DUMBRILL Son Male 12 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar
Margarett DUMBRILL Daur Female 10 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar
Kate DUMBRILL Daur Female 7 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar
Louisa DUMBRILL Daur Female 3 Lewes, Sussex, England Scholar
Henry J. FORD Boarder M Male 39 Brighton, Sussex, England General Laborer

Source Information:
Dwelling 1 York Street
Census Place Lewes St John Southover, Sussex, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 10:55

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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ALICE ROSE DUMBRELL Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
23 OCT 1865
Christening:
28 JAN 1866 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES DUMBRELL Family
Mother: HESTER

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Astra

Astra Report 10 Jul 2011 10:56

1871

DUMBRILL, Esther Head F 28 1843 Sussex VIEW
DUMBRILL, Alfred Son M 4 1867 Sussex VIEW
DUMBRILL, Herbert Son M 2 1869 Sussex VIEW
DUMBRILL, Margaret L Daughter F 0 1871 Sussex VIEW
TAYLOR, William Boarder M 33 1838 Sussex VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary A Visitor F 17 1854 Sussex VIEW


Civil Parish:
St Thomas Municipal Borough:
Address:
North Street, St Thomas, Lewes County:
Sussex

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 10:58

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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KATE DUMBRELL Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
26 NOV 1873
Christening:
15 MAR 1875 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Mother: HESTER DUMBRELL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 11:01

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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MARGARET LAWERANCE DUMBRELL Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
20 NOV 1870
Christening:
12 DEC 1870 Saint Thomas, Lewes, Sussex, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Mother: HESTER DUMBRELL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.


Margaret's middle name is interesting. I wonder if that's a clue as to who the father was?

I can't see any baptism records for the other children.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 11:18


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Alice R Dumbrell
Name: Alice R Dumbrell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 85



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Alfred John Dumbrell
Name: Alfred John Dumbrell
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 164


ngland & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Herbert Dumbrell
Name: Herbert Dumbrell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1868
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 159




England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Louisa Dumbrell
Name: Louisa Dumbrell
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 190

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Jul 2011 12:03

In case you dont have these........



1911 census - household transcription
Person: DUMBRELL, Herbert
Address: 17 Lancaster Road Southsea Portsmouth

DUMBRELL, Herbert Head Married M 42 1869 Ironmongers Vanman Sussex Lewes VIEW
DUMBRELL, Jane Wife Married
19 years F 41 1870 Hants Portsmouth VIEW
DUMBRELL, Alfred Son M 15 1896 Crane Boy Hants Portsmouth VIEW
DUMBRELL, Grace Daughter F 7 1904 Hants Portsmouth VIEW
DUMBRELL, Thomas Son M 5 1906 Hants Portsmouth VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5597 Reference:
RG14PN5597 RG78PN254 RD90 SD4 ED5 SN196

Registration District:
Portsmouth Sub District:
Portsmouth and Mid Southsea Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Portsmouth

Address:
17 Lancaster Road Southsea Portsmouth County:
Hampshire
(5 children born, 4 living , 1 had died.)




1911 census - household transcription
Person: DUMBRELL, Alfred
Address: 74 Winter Road Eastbourne Sussex

DUMBRELL, Alfred Head Married M 44 1867 Labourer Sussex Lewes VIEW
DUMBRELL, Emily Wife Married
13 years F 44 1867 Surrey Caterham VIEW
DUMBRELL, Thomas Son Single M 13 1898 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, John Son Single M 12 1899 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, Dorothy Daughter Single F 8 1903 Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, Henry Son Single M 10 1901 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, Edith Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, Herbert Son Single M 4 1907 School Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
DUMBRELL, Frederick Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Sussex Eastbourne VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4821 Reference:
RG14PN4821 RG78PN208 RD71 SD2 ED9 SN65

Registration District:
Eastbourne Sub District:
Eastbourne Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Eastbourne

Address:
74 Winter Road Eastbourne Sussex County:
Sussex
(8 children born, 7 living, 1 had died.)


Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Barnes Emily Eastbourne 2b 194
Dumbrell Alfred Eastbourne 2b 194

joysie4

joysie4 Report 10 Jul 2011 18:50

prickly holly
You have been busy

the last one alfred i never had a marriage for him or a family thank you very much for that


Joyce

%3A-%29

joysie4

joysie4 Report 10 Jul 2011 18:51

Astra

Thanks for the info i see the name was spelt differently


Joyce %3A-%29

joysie4

joysie4 Report 12 Jul 2011 09:09

Prickly holly

Ive found two queries since reading your replies again

I have martha jane johnson b 1869 (not jane johnson) ??

also i had margaret b 1870 as a dumbrell also died the same year
but it was her christening and her surname isnt dumbrell how can i trace her father ??

many thanks
joyce

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2011 20:07

Hi Joyce

Herbert Dumbrell married Martha Jane Johnson in 1891

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Dumbrell Herbert Portsea 2b 1035

She is missing from the entry but here she is.........

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Johnson Martha Jane Portsea 2b 1036



1901 England Census
about Martha J Dumbrell
Name: Martha J Dumbrell
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 1004
Folio: 41
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha J Dumbrell 31
Charles Dumbrell 7 Born Portsea Hampshire.
Alfred Dumbrell 5


On the 1911 census........it seems she preferred her middle name Jane.

Son Charles from the 1901 census, does not appear on the 1911....The 1911 also states that a child had died.


?
Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Dumbrell Charles Herbert Portsea 2b 522

Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)
DUMBRELL Charles H 10 Portsmouth 2b 337


If 5 children were born and 1 had died. There must be another child somewhere?



PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jul 2011 20:24


1891 England Census
about Herbert Dumbrell
Name: Herbert Dumbrell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Gosport
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Herbert Dumbrell 23




British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Herbert Dumbrell
Name: Herbert Dumbrell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: St John's
Birth County: Sussex
Document Year: 1885
Regimental Number: 2037
Regiment Name: Oxfordshire Lt Infantry
Number of images: 34



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Herbert Dumbrell
Name: Herbert Dumbrell
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 740



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Martha J Dumbrell
Name: Martha J Dumbrell
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 900

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2011 09:54

I have manged to find the missing child!

There is only one other Dumbrell child born between 1901 and 1911.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Victor William Dumbrell
Name: Victor William Dumbrell
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1902
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 499

Here he is with Martha Jane's Mother.........



1911 census - household transcription
Person: DUMBRILL, Victor William
Address: 73 South Brighton St Southsea

JOHNSON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1843 Laundress Walditch Dorset VIEW
DUMBRILL, Victor William Grandson Single M 8 1903 School Portsmouth Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5594 Reference:
RG14PN5594 RG78PN254 RD90 SD4 ED2 SN266

Registration District:
Portsmouth Sub District:
Portsmouth and Mid Southsea Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Portsmouth

Address:
73 South Brighton St Southsea County:
Hampshire

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2011 09:55


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Elizabeth JOHNSON Lodger (Head) M Female 38 Walditch, Dorset, England Charwoman
Thomas W. SEALEY Son U Male 15 Bradpole, Dorset, England Unemployed
Martha J. JOHNSON Daur Female 11 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar
Bessie S. JOHNSON Daur Female 6 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 21 Hampton St
Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2011 10:01


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Victor W Dumbrell
Name: Victor W Dumbrell
Spouse Name: Ruby G I Johnson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Southampton
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 1340

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Jul 2011 11:14

You say you have Margaret Dumbrell born 1870....died the same year, but she appears in 1881 with her Mother Hester.

You could send for her birth cert to see if the father is named. The father was not named on the baptism record, so i would say doubtful that he is entered on the birth cert.
She can't possibly be the daughter of James.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Margaret Lawrence Dumbrell
Name: Margaret Lawrence Dumbrell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 154



1891 England Census
about Margaret Deenibrell
Name: Margaret Deenibrell
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 114
Folio: 25
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen W Seetgen 31
Ellen W Seetgen 12
Ada B Seetgen 11
Ethel L Seetgen 9
Mary A Sinkler 29
Alice J Fooks 29
Sarah Farr 30
Emily Farr 29
Frederick B Herbert 31
Claudia G Coxhead 23
Minnie E Dean 19
Emily Relf 14
Margaret Deenibrell 20 (Domestic Servant General)



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Margaret Dumbrell
Name: Margaret Dumbrell
Spouse: Edwin Goodwin
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 355




1901 England Census
about Margaret Goodwin
Name: Margaret Goodwin
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edwin Goodwin
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: West Hendon St John
Town: West Hendon
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 1228
Folio: 28
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Goodwin 28 (Milkman) Born Dorking Surrey.
Margaret Goodwin 30



1911 census - household transcription
Person: GOODWIN, Edwin
Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire

FORSTER, Jessie Head Single F 52 1859 Retired Accountant Private Means London
GOODWIN, Edwin Servant Married M 38 1873 Gardener Handy Man Domestic Dorking Surrey
GOODWIN, Margaret Servant Married
14 years F 40 1871 General Servant Domestic Lewes
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6098 Reference:
RG14PN6098 RG78PN281 RD102 SD2 ED2 SN4

Registration District:
Stockbridge Sub District:
Stockbridge Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Kings Somborne

Address:
Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire County:
Hampshire




1911 census - household transcription
Person: GOODWIN, Margaret
Address: Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire

FORSTER, Jessie Head Single F 52 1859 Retired Accountant Private Means London
GOODWIN, Edwin Servant Married M 38 1873 Gardener Handy Man Domestic Dorking Surrey
GOODWIN, Margaret Servant Married
14 years F 40 1871 General Servant Domestic Lewes
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6098 Reference:
RG14PN6098 RG78PN281 RD102 SD2 ED2 SN4

Registration District:
Stockbridge Sub District:
Stockbridge Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Kings Somborne

Address:
Fair View King's Somborne Hampshire County:
Hampshire

joysie4

joysie4 Report 17 Jul 2011 13:29

Prickly holly

I havent been well this week thank you for all the information
ive just had a look on my threads and noticed you sent me more

i was told by my sister victor was adopted ??

i cant find dates and areas for thomas johnson and eliz berry who married a sealey

%3A-D

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Jul 2011 13:56

Hi Joyce, all i know about Victor is that he appears with his Grandmother in 1911.

This appears to be his marriage....

Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)
Dumbrell Victor W Johnson Portsmouth 2b 1340
Johnson Rose G I Dumbrell Portsmouth 2b 1340

If you do a search on Freebmd from 1925.......you will find Dumbrell/Johnson births for the children of Victor and Rose.

(It would be good if you could find a connection for him in another members tree. (Search Trees) You might be able to find if he was adopted and who adopted him.)



PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Jul 2011 14:23

Here is the 1881 census again for Elizabeth Johnson....


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Elizabeth JOHNSON Lodger (Head) M Female 38 Walditch, Dorset, England Charwoman
Thomas W. SEALEY Son U Male 15 Bradpole, Dorset, England Unemployed
Martha J. JOHNSON Daur Female 11 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar
Bessie S. JOHNSON Daur Female 6 Portsea, Hampshire, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 21 Hampton St
Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England


There are 3 families bunched together on the 1871 census...........but when viewing the image, the families are living seperately...........


Residence: 3 Gloucester Street.


1871 England Census
about Thomas B Sealy
Name: Thomas B Sealy
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Wilkins (Error......Elizabeth Johnson)
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
Elizabeth Johnson 28 Married (Wife of Head)
Charles B Sealy 8 (Stepson)
Thomas B Sealy 5 (Stepson)
Martha J Johnson 1 (Daughter)

I wonder if Charles and Thomas were adopted?