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Your very welcome, Ann.

I bet life wasn't boring, living with him. and wondering what was coming next lol !!

If you would like the census images to study jjust send your e-mail by PM and I'll gladly mail them all to you.

Best wishes
Barbara x

Oh my gosh Barbara you have been busy, Thank you so much, every thing has now fallen in place, I am trying to get my head around it all.

I found articles in newspapers, 1 on Barton William Wheeler, 12 on Barton William Eldridge & 4 on William Barton Eldridge,
A lot of them were pub related & fighting, naming pubs & streets, I new them all [not that I ever went in them] I found them all hilarious.

Thank you again for all your help, it is much appreciated.
Ann

:-) :-) :-)

Hi Ann

What great things to have about your Ancestors-- Good or Bad --it doesn't matter--it brings the flesh to the bones and we can see what kind of life they had --it makes them real People and not just names.

I'm so sorry I made a mistake on the 1861 census (I have Edited it and put the correct address in ) Address on the 1861 was

1861 census PLAYER STREET --Eliza and William + family
1871 PLAYER STREET---Eliza and William + family
1881 26 PLAYER STREET---Eliza and William + family

1881 for BARTON --32 Albert St

1891 for William and Eliza as "in-Laws" --52 St Johns Road

1891 for ELLEN--24 Bedworth Place

1901 for William (eluza had died) -- 10, Albert Street




1871 census

1871 England Census 1871 England Census
Name: Barton W Eldridge
[Barton William Wheeler]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Eldridge
Mother's name: Eliza Eldridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Shalfleet
Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
Address >>>> PLAYER STREET
Household Members: Name Age
William Eldridge 41 --plasterer
Eliza Eldridge 38 --Isle of Wight, Shalfleet
Barton W Eldridge 19 --BAKER---Isle of Wight, Shalfleet
Fanny E Eldridge 13 ---Ryde
James W Eldridge 11 --Ryde
Ellen Eldridge 9 --Ryde
Mary M Eldridge 5 --Ryde
George C Eldridge 2 -Ryde

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1166; Folio: 7; Page: 8; GSU roll: 827798.

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1881 census for Eliza and William

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William ELDRIDGE Head M Male 53 Shide, Hampshire, England Plasterer
Eliza ELDRIDGE Wife M Female 49 Shalfleet, Hampshire, England Laundress
Ellen ELDRIDGE Dau U Female 19 Ryde, Hampshire, England Laundress
Mary N. ELDRIDGE Dau Female 15 Ryde, Hampshire, England
George C. ELDRIDGE Son Male 12 Ryde, Hampshire, England Scholar


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Source

Dwelling No 26 Player St

Census Place Ryde, Hampshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341288
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1179 / 35
Page Number 21

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Popping this on although I know you have it

1881 for Barton

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Barton W. ELDRIDGE Head U Male 50 (age looks like 30 on original image) Newbridge, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Baker
Ellen COTTELL Lodger U Female 32 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
William B. COTTELL Lodger Male 3 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 32 Albert St
Census Place Ryde, Hampshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341288
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1178 / 117
Page Number 29
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1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Eldridge
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Mother-in-Law
Spouse's Name: William Eldridge
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newbridge

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 53 St Johns Road

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

Household Members: Name Age
William L Shales 36
Mary M Shales 25
William G Shales 4
James F Shales 2
Florence M Shales 10/12
William Eldridge 64
Elizabeth Eldridge 60
George C Eldridge 22


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 891; Folio 10; Page 14; GSU roll: 6096001.


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Elizas death index ?

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)

Eldridge Eliza 62 I.Wight 2b 434
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1901 censis for William

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: William Edridge
[William Eldridge]
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Father-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: Ryde Holy Trinity
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 10, Albert Street

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryd

Household Members: Name Age
Williams L Shales 46
Mary M Shales 35
William G E Shales 14
James F Shales 12
Valentine W Shales 9
Alfred Shales 7
Dorothy L Shales 4
Ernest E Shales 3
William Edridge 73 --father in law---retired plasterer

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1025; Folio: 88; Page: 28.

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Barbara x

Hi Barbara,
Bedworth ? place, Yes that is right, I know it. I have found a snippet in the old newspaper Saturday, April 09, 1898, about William Wheeler of Bedworth Place Porter was sacked,& wanted his wages.

I don’t have the occupation of Ellen and Barton marriage in 1882, I only have a transcript, I will send for a copy.

“The Isle of Wight Record Office holds a set of photocopies of marriage registers. These are from 1837 to 1910 only and for Anglican Churches only on the Isle of Wight. Copies can be made from these photocopies for 30 pence a sheet plus a service charge of £3.00,”
They do give the signatures of the parties to the marriage and the two witnesses,& trade of parties
I usually send for batches of 10 at a time, so I will add Ellen and Barton to my list.

Thank you for theory, There may be a connection,
11 May 1854 ELDRIDGE William F B, WHEELER Eliza F S, ELDRIDGE Charles, [brides father!] GLADDIS Richard, Newchurch

I also found a article Saturday, September 20, 1884 “Barton William Wheeler (otherwise Eldridge) of Players St, Touter charged with assaulting his wife Ellen Wheeler,” he was drunk, it went into great details, the local PC was there & his father a lot of shouting & swearing went on, it had me in stitches I could just imagine it all,
Barton William was fined “10s & cost ; indefalt,14 days’ hard labour.”

Deaths 1885 WHEELER Barton 43 born 1841 - 1842 Ryde
And 1890 WHEELER William Barton 41 born 1848 - 1849 Ryde

Was there an Address for 1891 census? Ellen Eldridge 43 -
Thank you again.
Ann

Hi Ann

What I was trying to say on above posting was if the Barton William WHEELER who married Ellen was "brought up" by William Eldridge and Eliza--He MAY have used the name Eldridge for everyday BUT on official records used his birthname Wheeler. Just maybe Ellen gave ELDRIDGE to the enumerator in 1891 census (as he did in 1881)

This looks like the
Extracted Christening record for Barton c1852

Barton William Wheeler

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 FEB 1852 Shalfeet, , Hampshire, England

Parents:
Mother: Eliza Wheeler

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:

C028084
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Barbara x

Hi Ann
Just a theory--it may be all no good !!!

What is the occ off Barton on Ellen and Bartons marriage cert ? Is he a BAKER ?

In the "actual image" for the 1881 census it looks (to me) as if Barton W. ELDRIDGE is age 30 ---not 50 !!!

I believe Barton W. ELDRIDGE (who Ellen and William was lodging with in 1881) and Barton William WHEELER (who Ellen married) are the same person.

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First his birth index

Births Jun 1851

WHEELER Barton William I of Wight 8 236
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His mothers marriage ?? (after rhe birth of Barton)

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
>>>>>>>Eldridge William Isle Of Wight 2b 693
Sheath Cornelius Isle Of Wight 2b 693
Shotter Ann Isle Of Wight 2b 693
>>>>>>>>>>>WHEELER Eliza I. Wight 2b 693
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This couple in 1861 census

1861 England Census 1861 England Census

Name: William Eldridge
[Barton William Wheeler]

(someone has put this on the census record for 1861 and 1871 census

Barton William Wheeler rather than William Eldridge
He was born before the marriage of William and Eliza, which shows her maiden name, but also the surname Wheeler. )

Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Eldridge
Mother's name: Eliza Eldridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Shalfleet, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: >>>PLAYER STREET
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
Household Members: Name Age
William Eldridge 32
Eliza Eldridge 28
William Eldridge 9
Emma Eldridge 6
Fanny Eldridge 3
James Eldridge 1


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 657; Folio: 147; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542679.
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So if the above is right could this be Ellen and William in 1891 census

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: William Eldridge
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Eldridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address >>>>> 24 Bedworth place

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde

Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Eldridge 43 --head---wid---Cook
William Eldridge 13 ----son----port errand boy
Eliza Bayley 54 ----single---lodger


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 891; Folio 77; Page 31; GSU roll: 6096001.



Hope you can understand it all lol !!!!

Barbara x

Hi Barbara,
I have checked the above, it isn’t my Ellen, This is the one you found in 1891

IOWFHS Marriage 1879 WHEELER William. COTTON Ellen St Thomas, Ryde
Birth
1880 WHEELER Male COTTON Ryde R47/E189
1881 WHEELER William Herbert COTTON Ryde R48/E493
1884 WHEELER Beatrice Ellen COTTON Ryde R53/E
Thank you any way,
Ann

Is this Ellens death index, Ann ?

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)

WHEELER Ellen [5_]7 I. wight 2b 377

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i will leave the 1891 census on but will mark it wrong one ---just so no one else makes the same mistake

The Ellen with Daughter Beatrice married a Henry james Phillips in 1892

Barbara x

Thank you very much Barbara,
Poor Ellen she her son, Births 1877 COTTEL William Barton, No father name Newport,
William Barton Cottle Male Baptism 23 Nov 1882 ALL SAINTS, RYDE, HAMPSHIRE, Father Blank Mother Ellen Cottle
didn’t Marry until, 17 Dec 1882 WHEELER Barton William 32 B, COTTLE Ellen 34 S, WHEELER William, COTTLE William Ryde Alla, And he died 1890 WHEELER William Barton 41, born 1848 .

I am not sure about the 1891, the ages are a little out, I did look for any siblings, WHEELER &COTTELL. there were none under mothers maiden name, but some under COTTON , I will check it out.

This is her in 1881 32 Albert St Census Place Ryde, Hampshire, E RG11 Piece / Folio 1178 / 117 Pg 29

Barton W. ELDRIDGE Head U Male 50 Newbridge, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Baker
Ellen COTTELL Lodger U Female 32 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
William B. COTTELL Lodger Male 3 Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

Thank you again
Ann

1891 census ?? It Does say William H on the image, is this the wrong one ??

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: William H Wheeler
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Wheeler
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ryde

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Newport Street

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 890
Folio: 25
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Wheeler 37 --head --wid
William H Wheeler 10 --son
Beatrice E Wheeler 6 --daut


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 890; Folio 25; Page 5; GSU roll: 6096000.


EDIT----THIS IS THE WRONG FAMILY

1901 census

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: William Wheeler
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ellen Wheeler
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Newport

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: Ryde St Thomas and All Saints
Town: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:77 St Johns Road

Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 1025
Folio: 59
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Wheeler 54 --head --wid--
William Wheeler 22 =son---Drapers Porter
Minniel Cook 19 --relative--
Edward Philbrick 55 --boarder


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1025; Folio: 59; Page: 17.

Please can someone look up the 1891 census
for William Barton WHEELER born 1877 Newport, Isle of Wight & his widowed ? mother Ellen born 1849 Newport, Isle of Wight, I think they were living in Ryde.

Thank you ,
Ann

Thank you Sue & Barbara
My father told me he was an ironmonger? maybe he was later on [I will check that out],
Yes that is the right family every thing fits except his trade, Hatty is living a few doors from her brother who also worked on the railway, I have the marriages of the girls in the census.
I don’t like to keep asking a lot of question to the lady born in 1919 as she gets a little confused but I will look in to it more,

Thank you for the deaths you found.

Ann

Wiiliam's death,,,

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Death


Name: WHEELER, William B
Registration District: Isle of Wight
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1951
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 74
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 730

You are welcome Ann ---Are you sure its the right family for you ? As patchem says, William is not an ironmonger !! is his date of birth about right ?

patchem I thought it was my computer playing up----1911 does seem pretty
s-l-o-w today . (and some of the other sites)

Barbara x

Death of Hetty M Wheeler,,,

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Death


Name: WHEELER, Hetty M
Registration District: Isle of Wight
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1962
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 78
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 901

Thank you Patcham
And thank very much you Barbara yes that is them, that is wonderful.
Thank you again,
Ann

And he is not an ironmonger.

Hi it looks as if they have been mistranscribed

1911 census transcription details for: 3 High Park Terrace Surbiton Grove St John's Ryde

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5727 RG78PN260 RD93 SD3 ED12 SN120


Reg. District: Isle of Wight Sub District: Ryde
Parish: St Helens Enum. District: 12

Address: 3 High Park Terrace Surbiton Grove St John's Ryde
County: Hampshire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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MEELER, William Head Married M 34 1877 Railway Porter Newport I of Wight


MEELER, Hetty Wife Married 8 years F 26 1885 Brading I of Wight

MEELER, Dorothy Daughter Single F 4 1907 Ryde I of Wight

MEELER, Hetty Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Ryde I of Wight


2 children born and still living in 1911 cenus

That is a large gap between 1907 and 1919.
Is the later birth definitely his family?
Not having any luck with 1911 (though it is playing up on my computer so is rather frustrating to search) Have tried profession, names of daughters without surnames, using Barton and Cottell as surnames, etc
Have you got him in 1901?
Thanks