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Thank you for all your help :-) I think this is one of the lines that is going to be a tough nut to crack :-)

Ah Orton is in Westmorland but my point is that 3 miles away it is cumberland.

Thank you for the additional information and possible surnames :-)

Being based in New Zealand, I cannot locate anything in the local library for local directories for Cumbria in general, or Orton in particular, only for NZ directories, but will check with them again.

Orton, Westmoreland





Description
Orton, a small market-town and a parish in Westmorland. The town stands near a small tributary of the river Lune, 3 miles N of Tebay railway station, and 8 1/2 SW by S of Appleby; is supposed to be a place of great antiquity; consists of a market-place, a square, and several small streets, and has a post, money order, and telegraph office under Tebay (R.S.O.) A weekly market is held on Wednesday, and several fairs for cattle and one for earthenware, called the " Pot Fair," are held during the year. The parish contains also Raisbeck, Longdale, Bretherdale, Shap Wells, Tebay, and part of Birkbeck Fells, besides several hamlets. Acreage, 24,513, of which 127 are water; population, 1847. The parish returns three members to the district council for the union of the E ward of Westmorland, and has a parish council of nine members and a chairman. The Old Hall was built by the Birkbeck family, whose name is probably derived from the river Birkbeck, which for some distance flows through a part of the parish into the river Lune. Orton Hall is the seat of the Burn family, and the old hall is now a farmhouse. The general surface is very hilly. Orton Scar, in the N part of the parish, is a picturesque height, and was formerly crowned with a beacon, in a chain of beacon communication along a great extent of country. The rocks include limestone, white and red sandstone, and traces of lead and copper ores. There are an ancient British caim, a Druidical circle, and remains of several ancient camps and earthworks, and Roman coins have been found. The living is a vicarage in the diocese of Carlisle; net value, £226 with residence. The church belonged formerly to Conishead Priory; is ancient, and was thoroughly restored in 1877; and has a chancel, nave of four bays, aisles, and a massive embattled tower. Population of the ecclesiastical parish, 828. Tebay was formed into a separate ecclesiastical parish in 1884. Population, 1019. There are a Wesleyan chapel, a Primitive Methodist mission room, a temperance hall, an endowed school, a market-house, a police station, and several charities. Richard Burn, author of the " Justice of Peace," was vicar, and Bishop Barlow was a native.


Tebay is 3 miles from Orton but comes under Cumbria

Did you look at the Genuki link?

Nothing in memorial trannscriptions

The lacal study centre may have local trade directories.

I have been looking without using the surname.

looking at the village of Orton

seaching through family search

more suggestions for surname

Rosw*ll
Bosw*ll
Oswald

Would these trade directories be online?

I agree about ancestors using their middle names - this happened with another of my ancestors and that name was mispelled as well :-) Question is - did Robert Oswell have a middle name?

As a shoe maker I wonder if there are trade directories?

We are not getting anwers within the box so looking outside of the box. Some of our ancestors had annoying habits like sometimes choosing to use amiddle name or changing the surname completely.

I found the record on familysearch so posted it. It gives nothing new but it gives documentation to what we know.

To LadyKira

Thank you so much for your help :-)

The last post has the same details as I stated in my initial post (I have a copy of the marriage cert), so the previous two on the census information would not be the same Robert Oswell, as the heads of the household are not John???

Robert Oswell
England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth:1832
marriage:1855 —Kendal, Westmoreland, England
parents:John Oswell
spouse:Mary Simpson
record title:England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name:Robert Oswell
groom's birth date:1832
groom's age:23
bride's name:Mary Simpson
bride's birth date:1825
bride's age:30
marriage date:1855
marriage place:Kendal, Westmoreland, England
groom's father's name:John Oswell
bride's father's name:John Simpson
indexing project (batch) number:M39649-7
system origin:England-VR
source film number:1471687

1841 census - household transcription
Person: OSWELL, Robert
Address: Billy Mill Lain, Tynemouth, Chirton
OSWELL, Edward M 30 1811 Northumberland
OSWELL, Dorothy F 30 1811 Northumberland
SHORT, Isabela F 70 1771 Northumberland
OSWELL, Robert M 7 1834 Northumberland

There is this one

1841 census - household transcription
Person: OSWELL, Robert
Address: Wark Village, Wark
OSWELL, Thomas M 45 1796 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, Ann F 40 1801 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, William M 20 1821 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, Margret F 15 1826 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, Thomas M 12 1829 Northumberland VIEW


1851 census - household transcription
Person: OSWELL, Robert
Address: Wark Village Square, Wark
OSWELL, Thomas Head Married M 58 1793 Shoemaker
Corbridge
Northumberland
OSWELL, Ann Wife Married F 53 1798 Shoemaker's Wife
Chollerton
Northumberland
OSWELL, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 32 1819 Shoemaker's Daughter
Wark
Northumberland
OSWELL, Thomas Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Shoemaker's Son
Wark
Northumberland
OSWELL, Matthew Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Shoemaker's Son
Wark
Northumberland
OSWELL, Robert Son Unmarried M 11 1840 Scholar
Wark
Northumberland
MOOR, Elizabeth Visitor F 5 1846 Scholar
Wark
Northumberland

OSWELL, Edward M 10 1831 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, Matthew M 8 1833 Northumberland VIEW
OSWELL, Robert M 1 1840 Northumberland VIEW
ARMSTRONG, Bengman M 20 1821 Northumberland

This the problem that Kendal Records Office had as well - They couldn't find any Oswell in Orton either ... which leads me to believe that Robert Oswell (1832) possibly wasn't born there .... but if that was the case, why state this in the 1861 census?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/Orton/index.htm

Accordind tofreeebmd an Agnes Oswell dies in 1844 and I cannot find her either

MARY OSWELL Pedigree
Female

Birth:
Christening: 27 MAY 1816 Killington, Westmorland, England

Parents:
Mother: ELIZABETH OSWELL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening

P017861
The only other Oswell I could find on IGI in Westmorland

Not much help but cannot find anything like the name in Orton

both Kendal and Penrith have main roads called Stricklandgate (The reference to gate is old English which means road).

It is a long road

Many thanks for the replies:

To Lynski - Thank you for your efforts - I think your 1st post on the 1841 census may have some real merit :-)

To Mike - You could very well be right - we simply don't know.

To LadyKira - Many thanks for the information on William Oswell - much appreciated :-)

Cheers

Bruce

1871 census - household transcription
Person: OSWELL, Robert
Address: Workhouse, St Thomas, Kendal
OSWELL, Robert Inmate M 14 1857 Westmorland
OSWELL, Joseph Inmate M 11 1860 Westmorland