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Gavin
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22 Jul 2011 11:36 |
Does anyone have any information about a George Seppings (could be spelling variation) Mitchell b 1777 (baptism on 25/05/1777) and d circa 1847. He married an Elizabeth Everitt. I'm unsure of her dates but I do believe they were married in Fakenham on 31/01/1814. They had two children, a Mary Ann b 1820 in Fakenham. I'm unsure if she married or when she died and another George Seppings b 1827 who emigrated to New Zealand although Im unsure when.
George (1777 George that is) father was John Mitchell and I beleive he was born c1838 and died in 1793. I beleive he may have married a Frances Seppings in Fakenham, hence where the Seppings name comes into my family tree??
Any help would be appreciated
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Flick
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22 Jul 2011 11:51 |
Start by looking in search trees.........
And please do a check on your dates........born 1838......died 1793?
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22 Jul 2011 11:53 |
Have you looked for George's death on freebmd?
Try the same site for info about the daughter............
How have you worked back to these people?
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Flick
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22 Jul 2011 12:00 |
the only occurrence of forename Seppings combined with surname Mitchell on Ancestry London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: George Mitchell Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1860 Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1860 Father's name: George Seppings Mitchell Mother's name: Ann Mitchell Parish or Poor Law Union: Christ Church, Albany Street Borough: Camden Address: 39, Augustus St Father's occ: Servant Child's DOB 15th August 1859
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Tenerife Sun
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22 Jul 2011 12:03 |
Name: George Sepping Mitchell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 12 May 1827 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Mitchell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03227-4 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: 107 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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22 Jul 2011 12:10 |
Name: Mary Ann Mitchell Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 10 May 1820 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norwich, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Mitchell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02260-3 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1471055 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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22 Jul 2011 12:12 |
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Name: George Mitchell Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Mitchell Gender: Male Where born: Fakenham, Norfolk, England [Fakenham, Norfolk, England] Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Regents Park ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 193 Piece: 97 Folio: 72 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age George Mitchell 33 Ann Mitchell 37 b. Ashurst. Kent Selina Mitchell 14 b. Penshurst. Kent George Mitchell 1 William Webley 32
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22 Jul 2011 12:14 |
Frances Seppings Pedigree Female Family Event(s): Birth: About 1742 Of, Fakenham, Norfolk, England Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: John Mitchell Family Marriage: 14 JUN 1763 Fakenham, Norfolk, England
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22 Jul 2011 12:17 |
GI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print Frances Seppings Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 08 JUL 1740 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Covenant Seppings Family Mother: Ann Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: I032273 Film Sheet:
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Flick
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22 Jul 2011 12:19 |
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Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bridges Joseph Marylebone 1a 809 Ellis James Taylor Marylebone 1a 809 Keast Mary Marylebone 1a 809 Mitchell George Marylebone 1a 809 <<<< Roberts Ann Marylebone 1a 809 <<<<<
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1851
Name: Selina Roberts Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Visitor Gender: F (Female) Where born: Penshurst, Kent, England Civil parish: Cowden County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 1613 Folio: 611 Page Number: 12
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22 Jul 2011 12:21 |
Children of John Mitchell and Frances Seppings
Covenant Mitchell - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 MAR 1764 Fakenham, Norfolk, England 2. John Mitchell - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 SEP 1774 Fakenham, Norfolk, England 3. Bridget Mitchell - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 JAN 1780 Fakenham, Norfolk, England 4. Frances Mitchell - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: NOV 1767 Fakenham, Norfolk, England 5. Pleasance Mitchell - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 FEB 1772 Fakenham, Norfolk, England
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Gavin
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22 Jul 2011 20:55 |
Thanks for the research guys, as Im on the other side of the world I couldnt back to you earlier. To give you some more information
Sorry that should have been John was born about 1738
I've worked back to these people from my great great grandfatther George William Mitchell b 18/08/1859 at St Pancras Middlesex. Somewhere between the 1861 census and 1863 they migrated to NZ where I have better access to their records. The only problem I had with the NZ records was one of his certificates says he was born in NZ while another one said he was born in England.I think he may have lied about the NZ DOB as it doesn't make sense
His father I believe was George Seppings Mitchell b 1827 in Fakenham. He married Ann Roberts
His father was also a George Seppings Mitchell also born in Fakenham in 1777. He married Elizabeth Everitt in Fakenham in 1814
and finally his father was John who the intial query was about...
I dont have any certificates from England yet to prove this however.
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Gavin
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22 Jul 2011 21:00 |
Most of the above info I have however Flick, it appears Selina was born to Ann from a previous marriage.
My biggest stumbling block is John and Frances still, as Tenerfie Sun points out, none of their children is named George. Perhaps this is not my relation after all
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Flick
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22 Jul 2011 21:34 |
Not necessarily from a previous marriage...........in the case of Ann's child.
You say that you have 'worked' back from George born 1859.....then say you 'believe' his father was........etc.
If you wish to have accurate info, I would strongly advise that you buy the cert for George's marriage to Ann. It will tell you the name and occupation of his father.......
George William may not have realised that he was born in England...........if he wasn't given the info by his parents, he'd have had no reason to think he hadn't been born where he grew up
The baptism I posted for George born 1859 removes any doubt you may harbour about the names of his parents
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22 Jul 2011 21:52 |
Name: George Seppings Mitchell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 25 May 1777 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Mitchell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Frances Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05244-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: item 15 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 _______________________________________________________
Name: John Mitchell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Sep 1774 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Mitchell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Frances Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05244-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: item 15 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 _________________________________________________________
Name: Covenant Mitchell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Mar 1764 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Mitchell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Frances Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05244-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: item 15 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 ______________________________________________________
Name: Pleasance Mitchel Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Feb 1772 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Mitchel Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Frances Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05244-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: item 15 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 ___________________________________________________
Name: Frances Mitchel Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Nov 1766 Baptism/Christening Place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: John Mitchel Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Frances Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05244-2 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1595483 Reference Number: item 15 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Gavin
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23 Jul 2011 03:47 |
Thankyou so much Flick for your help and advice. You have opened up a whole new area for me to research. Much appreciated
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Tenerife Sun
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23 Jul 2011 13:08 |
One of these COULD be your John Mitchell 1738
e: John Mitchel gender: Male baptism/christening date: 15 Sep 1737 baptism/christening place: SAINT MARY,SOUTH WALSHAM,NORFOLK,ENGLAND birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: John Mitchel father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Elizabeth mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C04144-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 894724 reference number:
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name: John Mitchell gender: Male baptism/christening date: 25 Jun 1738 baptism/christening place: Norfolk, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: John Mitchell father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Elizabeth Mitchell mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: I01393-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1041782 reference number: item 5 p 81
OR this one in Fakenham
name: John Mitchel gender: Male baptism/christening date: 24 Feb 1738 baptism/christening place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Samuel Mitchel father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Esther mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: I03227-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1595483 reference number: item 14 p 31
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Gavin
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23 Jul 2011 13:15 |
Thanks for your help as well Tenerife Sun....One would assume that the John Mitchell born in Fakenham would be my best bet.... I think its time to invest in some certificates.
I know what info you get the most from in NZ, but for the English certificates, do you get more information out of a wedding certificate or a birth certificate?
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23 Jul 2011 20:57 |
In the case of John Mitchell 1738 Fakenham there will not be certificates as the date is too early for this
Birth Certificate
When and Where born. Childs name. Sex. Fathers name. Mothers name and maiden name. Fathers occupation. Signature of informant. Date registered. Signature of regisitrar.
Marriage Certificate
Date married. Grooms name. Brides name. Ages of both. Staus (ie batchelor, widowere etc) Occupation of groom. Residence of both at time of marrieage. Fathers names of both bride and groom and if deceased. Occupation of father.
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23 Jul 2011 21:06 |
Also to Samuel Mitchell and Esther in Fakenham
name: Elizabeth Mitchel gender: Female baptism/christening date: 01 Jan 1743 baptism/christening place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Samuel Mitchel father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Esther mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: I03227-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1595483 reference number: item 14 p 33
name: Esther Mitchel gender: Female baptism/christening date: 16 May 1741 baptism/christening place: Fakenham, Norfolk, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: Samuell Mitchel father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Esther mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: I03227-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1595483 reference number: item 14 p 32
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