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http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html has the bapt of Alfred - in 3 churches - maybe he's in every church in Pemberton. Nothing for Thomas, but there is a Stanley with the same details (apart from dates) as Eliz Alice Chamberlain Johnson. All 4 births were rego'ed in Pemberton subdistrict of Wigan RD (although there are 2 possibles for Thos). There're also Pemberton deaths for Stanley, and the following:

Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
JOHNSON Elizabeth 33 Wigan 8c 72

There's an 1891 census (rg12/3064/31/11) somehere in Pemberton showing Arthur a=31, Eliz a=28, and Alfred a=3.

There's a 1901 census (rg13/3567/28/47) somehere in Pemberton showing Arthur a=41,Alfred a=13, Thomas a=9 and Father William a=81.

So where's Eliz? It looks to me like her mum knew she was dying and went about setting up her adoption, as on the 1901 census somewhere in Bolton there's an Eliz Johnson a=5 adopted daur of Jos & Sarah Chamberlain.

I don't have a sub to see full census details.

As an aside, it's a pity they were all born in Pemberton as Lancs BMD are retrofitting the mum's MS to their index, so although they've gotten to 1911 for some subdistricts, and are close to that for, e.g., Wigan, Hindley, there's nothing started for Pemberton, Upholland, Atherton.

Perhaps matching up with this entry:

Baptism: 15 Sep 1897 St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
William Lord - [Child] of George Lord & Martha
Born: 3 Aug 1897
Abode: 1 Alexandra Street, Newtown
Occupation: Grocer
Notes: P
Baptised by: Geo Northridge
Register: Baptisms 1896 - 1900, Page 21, Entry 168
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Working on the possibility that she may have married at the church at which she had been baptised - as often happens - there is this possibility also:


Baptism: 9 Feb 1896 St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Alice Chamberlain Johnson - [Child] of Arthur Johnson & Elizabeth
Born: 28 Dec 1895
Abode: 104 Albert Street, Newtown
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: J. Hunt Newberry
Register: Baptisms 1891 - 1896, Page 63, Entry 500
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


Cx.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LORD William JOHNSON Elizabeth Alice St. Mark,Newtown Wigan & Leigh C24/4/138
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

In 1901, Newton in Makerfield was in Warrington RD, although Wigan & Leigh RD now hold the regos.

Thanks for the help i'm going to have to get a marriage cert. :-)

Could even be .... ???????????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
JOHNSON Elizabeth Alice - Ashton Wigan & Leigh - Mother CUNLIFFE


Hopefully the marriage cert will tell you what the "A" stood for.

Can I ask, how do you know she was born in Wigan ?

Would this fit her death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Elizabeth A Lord
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Age at Death: 35
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 92

**BUT, really this is all conjecture without buying a certificate, especially with a fairly usual name. Sorry, but this isn't a cheap hobby!

1901 census date was 31st March.

She could have been born late December 1900 and still be 3 months old.

That's if it's the right Elizabeth on the 1901 census. !!

... and if it is that Elizabeth, then the marriage cert will probably not have a father's name on it.

she is down as Elizabeth A Johnson on the marriage record ??

Name: Elizabeth Johnson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 25

or

Name: Elizabeth Johnson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1900
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 17


however if she WAS just 3 months at census then the first one is more likely

this is the 1901 census
Name: Elizabeth Johnson
Age: 3 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:2 Back Pool Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 258
Piece: 3555
Folio: 126
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Johnson 34 MUM-single
Susannah Johnson 33 Mums sister -single occ Cotton Mill. Rover,Card Room
James Johnson 11 Elizabeth's brother
Elizabeth Johnson 3 Months
James Johnson 57 Mums Uncle-widower disabled collier ,retired Coal Hewer,


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3555; Folio: 126; Page: 45.

Elizabeth Johnson Married william Lord at st marks church wigan in 1925 thats all i know without sending away for the cert

She married William Lord in 1925. William was married before to Elizabeth Fisher. my grandmother she died in 1922. i will have to send for the marriage cert. :-0 more money :-0

i think you need to buy the marriage cert to grandad. If you need help then give some details and we can take a look at the marriage records

How do you know she is was born in 1901?

If you can buy either a marriage cert or more preferable a birth cert for her this will give the additional information necessary to accurately identify her on the census records

i think her mother was Mary Johnson born 1867 as she had a daughter Elizabeth just a couple of months old on the 1901 census she was not married. but i could be wrong

Well the marriage cert to grandfather should give her age and her fathers name

i know there have been one or two but just cant seem to find the right one.

I think its on the grave stone. she was my grandfathers second wife but no one seems to know who her parents where my aunt is elizabeths daughter but she does not know anything about her mother as her mother died shortly after giving birth. :-0

why dont you mention who you think her parents were, it will help to narrow things down a bit.

George