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I will PM you David.

It does not state the name of the Institution on Ancestry for Frederick in 1901.........he is on page 5.
Going back to page 1, it names the Surgeons, Physicians etc so he was obviously in Hospital.

@PricklyHolly

I can't for the life of me see how you got from finding this:

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
Golding Martha Loney W.Derby 8b 1038
Loney Frederick W V A Golding W. Derby 8b 1038


Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Loney Frederick Walter V W. Derby 8b 620

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick W V A Loney
Name: Frederick W V A Loney
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 33
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 502

To finding him mentioned on the 1911 Census.

Searching for him myself I can only find him on the 1901 Census at which point he was a patient of some kind at an institute I haven't yet found the name of.

I'm trying to understand the process... could I bother you to explain how you did it?

David

The author is Andrew Brimson, the tree owner of the "Brimson Family Tree".

@Kim - that's wonderful thank you.

@Dea - Very useful thanks. Also - I don't know the dates but - I'm aware that Warrington used to be classed as Lancashire but at some point the borders/postcodes were amended and since then Warrington has been classed as being in Cheshire. There's a staunch group of Lancashire V's Cheshire supporters!

@PricklyHolly - What a fantastic find.... I'll look it up for sure. If there's a solid link from me to him/them I'm very curious as to who the author was.... :-D

This might be of interest to you..........found on Ancestry.

Public Members Story


JOHNATHON VINER GARRETT LONEY

1856-1911 , PORTSEA TO LIVERPOOL


THIS GENTLEMAN IS MY GREAT GRANDFATHER ON THE MATERNAL SIDE.

HE WAS BORN IN PORTSEA, HAMPSHIRE IN 1865 ,HIS BIRTH CERT SHOWS HIS MOTHER TO BE ANNIE LONEY BUT NO DETAILS OF A FATHER IS GIVEN .

THE FIRST RECORD OF HIM IS ON THE 1871 CENSUS INCORRECTLY WRITTEN AS J N G LONEY .AGED 15 LIVING WITH AN AUNT IN EVERTON,LIVERPOOL, WORKING AS AN APPRENTICE CLERK, THE HOME ADDRESS IS SALISBURY STREET.

IN 1879 HE MARRIED ANNIE SMITH HE BEING 21 AND SHE WAS 18 .

HE HAD 3 CHILDREN WITH ANNIE, JOHN ERNEST VINER LONEY 1880

HILDA VINER LONEY 1881 AND KATHLEEN VINER LONEY IN 1883.

NOTE THE "VINER" HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN TO THE SURNAME.

IN 1888 ANNIE DIED 8TH SEPT, JOHNATHON REMARRIED DEC 15TH 1888 , NOT A LOT OF TIME FOR MOURNING?

THE LADY WAS JESSIE EVELYN CLAY WHO HAD A SON W E CLAY.

2 CHILDREN CAME OF THE MARRIAGE CYRIL RAMSAY HUBERT VINER LONEY IN 1893 AND FREDERICK WALTER VINER LONEY IN 1894.

JOHNATHON IS NOTED IN THE CENSUS RETURNS AS BEING EMPLOYED AS A BOOK KEEPER AND INSURANCE CLERK.

JOHNATHON DIED 1ST JUNE 1911 HAVING TAKEN HIS OWN LIFE BY PLACING HIMSELF UPON A RAILWAY LINE.


There is also a beautiful scanned photogragh of Jonathan and Annie.

If they were born after 1911/1912, then you can do a search on freeBMD site putting in just the surname and mother's maiden surname - this would show all the children.

Mother's maiden names were not recorded prior to 1911 online, except if you are lucky enough to find them on a localBMD site such as LancsBMD, where many of the mother's maiden names have been recorded right back to 1837 !

There is also LancsOPC site which has many parish records transcribed going back hundreds of years !

I note that many of your are from Lancashire so these sites should be very useful.

Also - you have one from Warrington which for some strage reason you will find under Cheshire BMD site.

Hope this helps.

Dea x

David,
with the Merseyside connection, do have a look at the excellent transcription site:

www.lan-opc.org.uk

I tapped the surname Loney into the search box and found at least one entry for the Loney's referred to in the census entry Prickly Holly has given you. The site is being updated all the time and It's all free to use.

Best wishes with your search

Kim in Hull

I have another question for you all...

Unless I'm missing something, it seems to me that it would be very easy to miss entire branches of any given family.

For example, I know that my Mum was one of 9 children. But in finding my Nan's details so far (Margaret Mercer), I can see no way of verifying the kids that she had. Of course I don't need to in her case as I know of the kids that she had... but going back further this isn't the case. E.g. was my Nan an only child or one of multiple kids - for the record I do know she had at least one sister, but there could well be more.

Are the census records the only way of trying to verify the children of any "distant" relative or (aside from knowledge amongst living family members) is there another approach?

Simple answer to a simple question! :-)

You'll find that one hard to set up in a family tree! I guess the only way would be to enter your dad twice.

As Patchem says "Dye or Mercer" does suggest she had been married before (I have a similar entry in my tree and was fortunate to find both marriages). However, given the age of Margaret and when she married your grandfather, there's a very small window.

Jude

Have a go and see if you can find them now David but if you get stuck, or need help at any time, just ask on here and we will help further.

Enjoy this hobby !!! - Be warned though - It becomes very addictive :-D :-D

Don't be afraid to ask for help.

Dea x

@Judith

I did wonder if I'd get asked this very question... or perhaps more specifically, I wondered how long it would be before I was asked :-)

In brief: I was adopted by my Dad when (or shortly before/after) he married my Mum.

"Margaret Mercer & Eric Loney" and "Patricia Carroll & Norman Greenwood" were my biological grandparents, whilst "Marjorie Verdon & Joseph Burns" were my grandparents by way of the adoption.

I'm interested in exploring all three branches of my "family" tree.

@Everyone else.... thank you so much for your help. I'll look through all of the information you've posted. I was indeed asking how I would go about finding them myself but that's ok, I'm likely to still go digging regardless so that I can at least understand the process etc.

David, quick question/observation.

If these are your "nans" and "grandads" - how have you got three of each?

Jude

Okeydoke. :-)

Prickly, we were kinda letting David find them for himself. He was asking us how he can find them. :-)

I only put in Margaret because it wasn't found before. And to show David that spelling isn't always correct.

Ozi

'Dye or Mercer' usually means that she has been married before
Marriages Mar 1948
Dye Margaret Loney Prescot 10f 421
Loney Eric T Dye Prescot 10f 421
Loney Eric T Mercer Prescot 10f 421
Mercer Margaret Loney Prescot 10f 421

First marriage during the war??

There is only one Loney/Golding marriage registered between 1870 and 1919.........

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
Golding Martha Loney W.Derby 8b 1038
Loney Frederick W V A Golding W. Derby 8b 1038


Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Loney Frederick Walter V W. Derby 8b 620



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick W V A Loney
Name: Frederick W V A Loney
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 33
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 502


1911 census - household transcription
Person: LONEY, Frederic Wlater Viner
Address: 23 Greasby Road Liscard Ches


LONEY, John Viner Garret Head Married M 55 1856 Insurance Clerk Portsmouth Hants VIEW
LONEY, Jessie Evelyn Wife Married
22 years F 49 1862 Blackheath Kent VIEW
LONEY, Cyril Ramsey Herbert Viner Son Single M 18 1893 Electrician Wavertree Liverpool Lancs VIEW
LONEY, Frederic Wlater Viner Son Single M 17 1894 Cotton Brokers Clerk Wavertree Liverpool Lancs VIEW
SPRADBERY, Philippa Visitor F 5 1906 Liscard Cheshire VIEW
FINNERTY, Margaret Servant Single F 17 1894 Domestic Servant Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22113 Reference:
RG14PN22113 RG78PN1310B RD452 SD3 ED61 SN202

Registration District:
Birkenhead Sub District:
Wallasey Enumeration District:
61 Parish:
Wallasey

Address:
23 Greasby Road Liscard Ches County:
Cheshire
(2 children born and living)


Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
CLAY Jessie Evelyn W. Derby 8b 807
LONEY Jonathan Viner G W. Derby 8b 807

Spelling mistake

Births Dec 1923
Mercer Margart Clark Prescot 8b 1204

There's no birth on FreeBMD of a Margaret Mercer born 1923/24 with mother's maiden name Clark. There's thiis one registered Jan/Feb/March quarter 1924 which is possible if she was born Nov. 1923 but mother's maiden name is Tasker:

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mercer Margaret Tasker Prescot 8b 12_2


The others all check out on FreeBMD with mother's maiden names that you listed.

Hey guys - thank you so much for your help.

I'm afraid I don't know the first names of my great grandparents... I literally just have their mother's maiden names to go on.

For example,

My Nans:

Margaret Mercer,
- born: 24/11/1923,
- Prescot, Lancashire.
- Not yet sure why, but her surname on her marriage details show "Dye or Mercer".
- Mother's Maiden Name: Clark. (I have reason to believe her Mother's first name was "Edith")
- I think her Father (My Great Grandfather) was called James Mercer

Patricia Carroll,
- born: 27/10/1936,
- Prescot, Lancashire.
- Mother's Maiden Name: Pierce

Marjorie Verdon,
- born: 09/08/1936,
- Warrington, Lancashire.
- Mother's Maiden Name: Barnett

My Grandads (same order as wives above):

Eric Loney
- born: 1919 (Death cert shows 1918)
- Toxteth Park, Lancashire
- Mother's Maiden Name: Golding

Norman Greenwood
- born: 05/11/1936
- Prescot Lancashire
- Mother's Maiden Name: Crawford (i think)

Joseph Burns
- born: 14/12/1934
- Liverpool South (i think)
- Mother's Maiden Name: Hoskinson (i think)


I figure I'm going to have to start ordering hard copy birth certificates etc to get much more info?

If your nan and grandad are deceased - do you want to put the details from their birth certificates on here and we can see what we can find to help you?

Dea Xxx

P.S. - Welcome!

Dea x