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Could someone help me out with my Granddad's lookup please. Because of the surname being so very common I am having trouble deciphering who is an ancestor and who is not. I have hopefully linked this correctly William Green & Emily Louisa Gregory married 1872 in West Ham Essex and on the 1881 Census I found that their children were William b.1884 Alfred b. 1893 Alice b.1888 Arthur b.1896 Ada b.1880 and Harry Green who then married Emily Harding in 1904, they then had children Alice b.1907 Harry and George b.1909 Albert b.1915 Ronald b.1926 James b.1930 and finally George Green b.1915.
Any help with this is much needed as there is no one on the Green side that can help me with ancestor surnames. :-0

The Emily and Harry are 100% them :-D

Do you have their marriage cert?
jan

Harry 1911 which I am guessing you have already:

GREEN, Harry Head Married M 24 1887 F R G P Works Silvertown Essex Custom House VIEW
GREEN, Emily Wife Married
5 years F 25 1886 Elorite Articles Plaistow Essex VIEW
GREEN, Alice Daughter Single F 4 1907 Plaistow Essex VIEW
GREEN, Harry Son Single M 2 1909 Plaistow Essex VIEW
GREEN, George Son Single M 2 1909 Plaistow Essex VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9490 Reference:
RG14PN9490 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED20 SN90

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Canning Town Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
98 Adamson Road County:
Essex

You definitely have the right family. By sheer good luck, in 1911 Harry has put birthplace asn 79 Hooper Road, which is where this family is living 1891:


1891 England Census

Name: Harry Green
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Green
Mother's Name: Emily Green
Gender: Male
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham

William Green 36
Emily Green 31
Emily Green 12
Ada Green 11
Elizabeth Green 8
William Green 7
Harry Green 4
Alice Green 3
Arthur Green 8/12

1901 (same address)

GREEN, William Head Married M 46 1855 Boiler Maker Labourer
Stepney
London
GREEN, Emily Wife Married F 41 1860
Stepney
London
GREEN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1883 General Domestic Servant
Poplar
London
GREEN, William Son Single M 17 1884 Boiler Maker Rivet Carrier
West Ham
Essex
GREEN, Henry Son Single M 15 1886 Boiler Maker Rivet Carrier
West Ham
Essex
GREEN, Alice Daughter Single F 13 1888
West Ham
Essex
GREEN, Alfred Son Single M 8 1893
West Ham
Essex
GREEN, Arthur Son Single M 5 1896
West Ham
Essex

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1581 Folio:
110 Page:
9

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Canning Town Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Lukes

Civil Parish:
West Ham Municipal Borough:
Address:
79, Hooper Road, West Ham County:
Essex

Chris :)

1881

GREEN, William Head Married M 24 1857 Boilermaker
Stepney
Middlesex
GREEN, Emily Wife Married F 24 1857
Stepney
Middlesex
GREEN, Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879
Poplar
Middlesex
GREEN, Ada Daughter Single F 1 1880
Poplar
Middlesex

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
499 Folio:
129 Page:
33

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Bromley Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Ellesmere Street, Bromley County:
Middlesex


Name: William Green (Boiler Maker)
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Emily Shayes
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Aug 1878
Parish: St Mary, Bromley St Leonard
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Green (Boiler Maker)
Spouse Father Name: William Shayes

Chris you are spot on with the Shayes family one! I'm now just trying to locate the origins of John Green, Williams father and also Emily's father William Shayes. Something was leading me to the Medway region but I need to do a lot of digging before I know for certain. You guys are wonderful with all your help - you are most kind THANK YOU!!!! :-D

Also I came across this as an occupation on one of the census's may sound stupid to you guys but I have no idea what it is and google didnt help either. Elorite Articles???

It's on the 1911 census isn't it? It does look like that on the image, the best I can come up with is ebonite maybe?

'Ebonite is the brand name for a type of hard rubber used for a variety of products from clarinet mouthpieces to bowling balls. Its name derives from its intended use as a substitute for ebony wood. Ebonite is also known as vulcanite because it is created through vulcanizing rubber. Scientists and engineers working in the United States and Great Britain first made the material in the late 1830s.

History

Charles Goodyear invented vulcanite in 1839 by heating rubber with sulfur for a long period of time--a process called vulcanization. He gained a patent for vulcanization in 1843. A British scientist, Thomas Hancock, patented a similar process at about the same time.'

Jan (the invisible one!)

LOL thank you Jan - It is a strange one isnt it! God only knows what she use to do then. Perhaps she ended up a famous bowls or clarinet player. The family up until the late 40's were all into boiler making, so maybe that had something to do with it.

If I am right, I imagine she was employed in a factory making things from this stuff? I wish she was a bowls champion though!
Worth googling to find out more.
jan

Thanks again Jan - You did'nt see anything definite about John Green's and William Shayes ancestors did you by any chance? I was getting very confused at this point so think I may have gone down the wrong path with their family.

I am a bit lost. Can you re-cap and please say what is the furthest back you have got which is 100% certain?
jan

Lol yep it was on the one Chris found with Civil Parish:
Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Ellesmere Street, Bromley County:
Middlesex


Name: William Green (Boiler Maker)
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Emily Shayes
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Aug 1878
Parish: St Mary, Bromley St Leonard
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Green (Boiler Maker)
Spouse Father Name: William Shayes

If that helps you with finding anything further you're a miracle worker. From what I saw John Green looked like he may then have originated from Medway.

Just speculating. The street is only 0.2 miles from Ellesmere Street, Note I think this couple married well after William's birth though, so a very long shot. Maybe others with full Ancestry access can look at parish records:

.1881 England Census

Name: John Green
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Broomfield St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Boiler Maker

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 25

Name Age
John Green 49
Ann Green 41
Richard Green 19
John Green 18
Isaac Green 14
Thomas Manckislow 18 stepson
Alfred Manckislow 11
William Jolly 40


Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
GREEN John Mile End 1c 1095
King Richard Mile End 1c 1095 w
Manklow Ann Mile End 1c 1095
Todd Isabella Mile End 1c 1095

1861

SHAYER, William Head Married M 37 1824 Carver Gilder
Strood
Kent
SHAYER, Ellen Wife Married F 32 1829
Edenbridge
Kent
SHAYER, Ellen Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Rochester
Kent
SHAYER, Henry B Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Rochester
Kent
SHAYER, William A Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Stepney
Middlesex
SHAYER, Emily Daughter F 1 1860
Stepney
Middlesex

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
284 Folio:
201 Page:
34

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
2 Ratcliff Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Dunstan

Civil Parish:
Stepney Municipal Borough:
Address:
27, York Street East, Stepney County:
London, Middlesex

Chris :)

edits, not seeing that 1874 Marriage image unfortunately...but below is the Baptism of Isaac on the 1881 census above (not found one for William)


Name: Isaac Green
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1868 (13th Jan)
Baptism Date: 29 Jan 1868
Father's Name: John Green (Boiler Maker)
Mother's Name: Mary Green
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Chris :)

Blimey you two are good! :-D I reckon the Green family are correct because the boiler maker connection is just too good to be coincedence and what with being in the same region would all add up. With the Shayer family, Chris, would this be due to the pronounciation being confused with the written transcribes do you think? As it was Shayes before hand. Thank you to both of you once again, i dont think I would have found that as I had got Rochester from somewhere lol

1881

SHAYES, Wm Head Married M 57 1824 Decorator
Rochester
Kent
SHAYES, Ellen Wife Married F 51 1830
Enden Bdge.
Kent
SHAYES, Wm C Son Single M 25 1856 Painter
Ratcliff
Middlesex
SHAYES, Ada J Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Poplar
Middlesex

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
508 Folio:
96 Page:
18

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Poplar Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Poplar Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Wade St, Poplar County:
Middlesex


Deaths Mar 1884 (>99)

Shayes William 60 Poplar 1c 458

(Shayes it is, one that can be mistaken often I would think!)

Chris :)

Andrew, to follow up on the John Green 1881. You can see there are sons Richard, John and Isaac Green . John obviously re-married to Ann at some point and these are obviously not her children.

I am fairly sure this is the same family 1871. The ages and birthplaces for the sons match exaxtly to those 1881. Mary is married, husband 'at sea'. (Fixing boilers maybe!!) There is a son William - if this is not your William it excludes the John I found:

1871 England Census
Name: William Green
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley
Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar

Mary Green 39 Where born: Dudley
Sarah Green 17 Where born: Dudley
William Green 11
Richard Green 9 Where born: Dudley
John Green 7 Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Isace Green 3 Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Mary Green 9 Months Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England