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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 16:45 |
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I have just found an 'out of area' marriage on freebmd for a possible relative.
Marriages Jun 1904 Brown Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 1229 Brown Isabella Sunderland 10a 1229 Lamb John Henry Sunderland 10a 1229 Sheath William John H Sunderland 10a 1229<<<<<<<<<<<
I think this may be William born in Southampton in 1880. I may have found a Sunderland death of him in 1948
Please could someone see if they can find him in 1911?
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17 Sep 2011 16:49 |
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Mirror image....lol!
Person: SHEATH, William Address: 36 Threefield Lane Soton SMITH, Ben Head Married M 41 1870 Dock Labourer United States VIEW SMITH, Ellen Wife Married 15 years F 50 1861 Ilfracombe VIEW KING, James Boarder Single M 42 1869 Dock Labourer Nottingham VIEW SHEATH, William Boarder Single M 30 1881 Engines Cleaner Ships Sunderland VIEW JOINER, Albert Boarder Single M 22 1889 Engine Fitter's Labourer Bristol VIEW HARLOR, Thomas Boarder Single M 60 1851 Dock Slabouer Dorset VIEW
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17 Sep 2011 16:50 |
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1911 ???
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMITH, Ben Head Married M 41 1870 Dock Labourer United States VIEW SMITH, Ellen Wife Married 15 years F 50 1861 Ilfracombe VIEW KING, James Boarder Single M 42 1869 Dock Labourer Nottingham VIEW SHEATH, William Boarder Single M 30 1881 Engines Cleaner Ships Sunderland VIEW JOINER, Albert Boarder Single M 22 1889 Engine Fitter's Labourer Bristol VIEW HARLOR, Thomas Boarder Single M 60 1851 Dock Slabouer Dorset VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 5980 Reference: RG14PN5980 RG78PN273B RD99 SD1 ED46 SN38 Registration District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Eastern Enumeration District: 46 Regards Vera
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17 Sep 2011 16:52 |
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Where was he living in 1901?
Where did you get his birth info?
Nothing on freebmd..... apart from this..........
Births Dec 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHEATH William Henry J Southampton 2c 11
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17 Sep 2011 16:55 |
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????
1901
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCGREGOR, John Head Married M 53 1848 Shipyard Blacksmith Pasterhill Northumberland VIEW MCGREGOR, Caroline Wife Married F 54 1847 Southampton Hampshire VIEW SHEATH, William Relative Single M 20 1881 Wine & Spirit Storeman Southampton Hampshire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG13 Piece: 4713 Folio: 6 Page: 3 Registration District: Sunderland Sub District: South Bishop Wearmouth Enumeration District: 7 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls Hendon Civil Parish: Sunderland Municipal Borough: Address: 23, Cousin Street, Sunderland, Town County: Durham
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 16:58 |
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Thank you Flick.
I still think this may be him.... Was he married?... I see that has been added, Thank you.
If it's the one I think it is, he was living with a married aunt , Caroline MCGREGOR in Durham by 1891, so perhaps he didn't know he was born in the south??? She was Caroline SHEATH
I wonder which one he married?....IF HE DID. Is it possible to look for his wife please?
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17 Sep 2011 17:00 |
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You searched for: Marriages for the period 1901-1910: Surname sounds like 'sheath' and Forename/Initial = ''. Surname Forename(s) Year of Marriage BROWN Isabella 1904 Select SHEATH Wlliam J 1904
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1399
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17 Sep 2011 17:01 |
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BROWN, Robert Head Widower M 53 1858 Police Constable Northumberland Blyth BROWN, Fred Son Single M 25 1886 Electric Tram Conductor Northumberland Bedlington SHEATH, Isabella Daughter Married F 27 1884 Northumberland Bedlington BROWN, Alice Daughter Single F 23 1888 Durham Sunderland VIEW BROWN, Matthew Davison Son Married M 21 1890 Ship Plumber Durham Sunderland SHEATH, Martha May Grandchild F 6 1905 School Durham Sunderland SHEATH, Fred Harband Grandchild M 2 1909 Durham Sunderland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 30195 Reference: RG14PN30195 RG78PN1741 RD555 SD2 ED14 SN389 Registration District: Sunderland Sub District: Sunderland East Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Sunderland Address: 13 Lans St So Sunderland County: Durham
** Isabella had borne 3 children, 1 had died.
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17 Sep 2011 17:03 |
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???????
Births Jun 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheath Alice Sunderland 10a 730
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17 Sep 2011 17:04 |
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I reckon little Alice must have been the third child from the 1911:
Deaths Sep 1909 SHEATH Alice 3 Sunderland 10a 261
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17 Sep 2011 17:10 |
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But - that 1911 appears to be a lodging house. The proprietor completing the return may not have been aware of his lodger's private lives. He may have assumed that William was single because he didn't have a wife with him. William may have even said he was single for whatever reason.
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 17:11 |
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Thank you too Vera.
I have not found any Sunderland SHEATH births. It is very much a southern name, apart from a clutch in the Birmingham area, at that time.
I think WHJ Sheath is the son of an Edward.b. abt 1857 in Southampton. I think his (E's) wife Sarah Ann died in 1884 ( perhaps the reason Caroline took him in ) and Edward later married another Sarah in1889.
I have just seen a note on my PC tree that Edward and Sarah have a grandson, William BROWN aged 3 with them in Southampton in 1901 census...... the surname of William's possible later wife..
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 17:17 |
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Oh... I'm too slow. Thank you too Marie Celeste and safc.
So the picture is more muddled than I thought, but is gradually sorting out.
So did young William stay as a BROWN? Please could someone see if he is still with his grandfather Edward SHEATH in 1911. Edward and Sarah were still alive in Southampton ? then
Gwyn
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17 Sep 2011 17:32 |
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1911 no William sorry..
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHEATH, Edward Head Married M 51 1860 Blacksmiths Ships Hampshire Southampton VIEW SHEATH, Sarah Wife Married 21 years F 53 1858 Hampshire Southamp VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 5974 Reference: RG14PN5974 RG78PN273B RD99 SD1 ED40 SN44 Registration District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Eastern Enumeration District: 40 Parish: St Mary Address: 19 Grove St Southampton County: Hampshire REgards Vera
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17 Sep 2011 17:38 |
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Hi,
1911 ????? William Brown Soldier born Southampton age 21 ..... Private ....... Infantry.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 6046 Reference: RG14PN6046 RD100 SD1 ED24 SN9999 Registration District: South Stoneham Sub District: St Mary Extra Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Hound Address: County: Hampshire Regards Vera
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 17:49 |
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Thank you Vera.
I will investigate that William BROWN a bit more., to see if that clarifies the situation.
Freebmd suggests that there might be more children for William and Isabella SHEATH , so I'd better check them out too.
Many thanks everyone for your input and great searching. I'm very grateful.
Gwyn
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Vera
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17 Sep 2011 18:01 |
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???? Births Sep 1898 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown William John J Southampton 2c 17
Regards Vera
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 18:07 |
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Thank you Vera... I wondered about that one too, especially as he had the 3 forenames.
Will investigate...........
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Gwyn in Kent
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17 Sep 2011 18:50 |
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Following some of these through on freebmd I found a possible marriage of an Evelyn H. SHEATH to a Thomas BRIGGS.
Noting that the last child of that marriage seemed to be in 1942, I looked for a possible death for Thomas on Commonwealth War Graves site only to find there that many more of the family perished in the war
Deaths Jun 1943 Briggs Evelyn 25 Sunderland 10a 631 Briggs Mary I 58 Sunderland 10a 601 Briggs Michael F 0 Sunderland 10a 631 Briggs Thomas 3 Sunderland 10a 631
Off to look for survivors now.
Gwyn
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Vera
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18 Sep 2011 14:10 |
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Gwyn, How very sad. Hopefully you will find some survivors.
Regards Vera
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