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Help Please. Emma's 1st Married name was Vaughan. In 1900 at Pembroke Dock Dyfed she Married My Grt Grandad Richard Mc Donnell. I know my Grt Grandad passed away 1908 Woolwich. Have just found in 1911 Census Emma as a widow with children from 1st Marriage named Gilbert and Ada Vaughan, but have just realised there also is an Emma Mc Donnell aged 9yrs and James Mc Donnell aged 4yrs. Also found they had a son Richard Mc Donnell who died in Woolwich also in 1908 aged 4yrs. How can I go about finding relatives of Emma and James Mc Donnell. Also have never been able to find Emma's 1st Marriage details and what her Maiden name was. I think she was born in Penally Pembroke about 1862.Also if this helps I think her 1st husband was Military as was my Grt Grandad Mc Donnell.
Thanks

would this be too early ?

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Davis Emma Maria Pembroke 11a 1562
Rich William George Pembroke 11a 1562
Vaughan George Pembroke 11a 1562
Williams Ellen Rebekah Pembroke 11a 1562

Emma's maiden name should be on her children's birth certificates.
Have you got any of them?

Added:
?
Births Sep 1901
McDonnell Emma Romford 4a 619

For reference:
1911
MCDONNELL, Emma Head Widow F 49 1862 Laundress Penally Pembroke
VAUGHAN, Gilbert Son Single M 22 1889 Shop Assistant Grocerr St Heliers Jersey
VAUGHAN, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1892 Servant Domestic Londonderry
MCDONNELL, Emma Daughter F 9 1902 School Haroldwood Essex
MCDONNELL, James Son M 4 1907 School Woolwich Kent

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2859 Reference: RG14PN2859 RG78PN98 RD30 SD2 ED2 SN4
Registration District: Woolwich Sub District: Woolwich Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Woolwich
Address: 5 Delvan Street Woolwich County: London

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Biddlecombe Lydia Annie Pembroke 11a 2093
Cain John Pembroke 11a 2093
McDonnell Richard Pembroke 11a 2093
VAUGHAN Emma Pembroke 11a 2093

Marriage cert. will give you her father's name, and hence her maiden name.


for info:-
Deaths Dec 1908 (>99%)
McDONNELL Richard 47 Woolwich 1d 650

Possible death of first husband (if the marriage above is correct):-

Name: VAUGHAN, George
Registration District: Pembroke
County: Pembrokeshire
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 36
Volume No: 11A
Page No: 673

Kath. x

Looks like she married again:

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Gilbert Edward Vaughan
Name: Gilbert Edward Vaughan
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1889
Birth Location: St Elliott, Jersey, England
Relative: Mrs Emma Longstaff
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 151306
......
Marriages Jun 1914
Longstaff Frederick McDonnell Woolwich 1d 2291
McDonnell Emma Longstaff Woolwich 1d 2291

Maureen

Possible?

Name: Ada Dorothy B Vaughan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration district: Londonderry
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 172
FHL Film Number: 101063


1901
Name: Ada D B Vaughan
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: South Mimms
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Barnet
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 1230
Folio: 61
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Vaughan 43 - born: Aldershot, Hampshire,
Elizabeth M Vaughan 40
Ada D B Vaughan 9

?
Emma Longstaff
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1937
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1056

Hi Everyone,
Thanks so much for info. The George Vaughan who died in Pembroke this is looking very good. Have no record of Birth Cert for any Children. Or any Cert for her first Marriage to Vaughan.Ada Dorothy B Vaughan 1891 believe this is correct as on 1911 census has her birth place as Londonderry. Not Emma Longstaff as again from 1911 census she goes by 2nd Married Name Mc Donnell.
Any advice please how I can find traces of Mc Donnell children 1911 census their relatives.
Thanks All
Lisa

How about this from the St Helier baptism register

Baptism 10/02/1889
Birth 16/01/1889 Gilbert Edward Jones Vaughan
Father Walter
Mother Emma Johns (maybe Jones?)
Father's Occupation Colour Serg 2nd S. R.S
Godparents Sydney Vaughan and Ada Vaughan Jones

You have put 'not Emma Longstaff'.
Maureen found another marriage for her in 1914 (in Woolwich), which is why I proposed that death.
Not definite, just a suggestion.

If Lindsey's suggested first marriage for her is correct, this could be her birth:
Births Mar 1864
DAVIES Emma Pembroke 11a 721

I would go with info that you are sure about.

1911 shows her with her son:-
VAUGHAN, Gilbert Son Single M 22 1889 Shop Assistant Grocerr St Heliers Jersey

Jerseylily's baptism record for Gilbert gives her parents as:-
Walter Vaughan and Emma Johns (or Jones).
The J in Gilberts full name is given as Jones, so it looks more likely that Emma's maiden name is Jones.

Possible death for Walter:-

Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
Vaughan Walter 43 Pembroke 11a 661

(makes date of birth 1856)

1901 shows Ada, Emma's daughter living with her uncle Edward Vaughan.

Here is Edward in 1861:-

Name: Earnett Vaughan
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Vaughan
Mother's Name: Ann Vaughan
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershott, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Rowde
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Bromham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 1292
Folio: 56
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vaughan 46 born: Bristol, Gloucestershire
(difficult to make out occupation, but looks like:- Staff Royal wills Military - Chelsea Pensioner)
Ann Vaughan 34 born: New Eaton, Warwickshire
William Vaughan 14 born: Bingston, Canada
Gilbert Vaughan 6 born: Dublin, Ireland

<<<< Walter Vaughan 4 born 1857: Pourtsmouth, Hampshire,

Earnett Vaughan 2
Sidney Vaughan 1 born: Dover, Kent

..........and he has a brother Walter!

Big difference in age between William and Gilbert, so that would suggest a second marriage.

1871

Name: James Vaughan
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Vaughan
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Rowde
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Bromham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 1912
Folio: 64
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vaughan 55 - Chelsea Pensioner
Ann Vaughan 44
Albert Vaughan 18 born: Dublin, Ireland
Ernest Vaughan 13
Sidney Vaughan 11
Arthur Vaughan 8
Ada Vaughan 3

..........so Walter had a sister Ada, and 1861 shows a brother Gilbert, which would fit nicely with his children's names.

Also Gilbert's baptism record shows Godparents as Sydney and Ada.

This birth that Catherine found parents are Walter Vaughan & Emma Jones

Name: Ada Dorothy B Vaughan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration district: Londonderry
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 172
FHL Film Number: 101063

rootsireland.ie

Thanks for that Maura,

:-)

Hi All thanks again so much for all your research. Jerseylily your info is a match as on 1911 census Gilbert 's birth is St Helier Jersey, so I now have a link for the parents especially Emma with her maiden name. Patchem The Emma Longstaff I now see as you said there is a Marriage 1914 and in Woolwich. Its her children Emma and James Mc Donnell how can I find anything out about them as the 1911 census is the last one. Catherine death for Walter I think is correct as Emma and my Grt Grandad Richard Mc Donnell married in Pembroke I thought Vaughan would be military as Richard was to assume they met where he was stationed. And all the other info Catherine you are on the mark, it's been so difficult finding my ancestors as so many were military and do not appear on many of the census. Maura yes this is Ada Emma's daughter as again 1911 census show's birth Londonderry.
Will I need to go onto living relatives to find ancestor's from Emma and James Mc Donnell?
Thanks all you are TOPS
Lisa

Have you looked to see if anyone has them in their trees on here?
Birth certificates for exact dates of birth.