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Dear Chrissiex, I am so sorry ,after my last reply I thought that was the end of the conversation and signed out. I had no idea that you had gone on to find this further informaton. Many thanks for all your help. Shipsmate.

if you search trees here at genesreunited for

surname Stevenson
born in Ramsgate
1834 +/- 5 years

you will find that a number of people have Josephine/Rosina ( one person has her by both names ) and also sister Martha ( if you make it +/- 10 years there are also Albert and Augustus born earlier who may be brothers who died in infancy perhaps )


and just another wild guess ... I wonder whether Giovanni B? might have changed his name to an English one by 1881 ...

Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil parish: Huddersfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Street Address: Lowerhead Row Lodging House
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Musician

then in 1871 I wonder ...


Name: Rosina Bourda
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Registration district: Kensington

Rosina Bourda 39 needlewoman widow
Lydia Bourda 6 daughter born Staffordshire


I am having computer problems and I can't get all the features to work at Ancestry for images ... I can't make out that surname ... but it looks quite similar to the one in 1861

... can't find a birth of a Lydia to match the daughter ...


there is this person in 1881

Name: Lydia Coller ( could possibly be read as Collins )
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Burton On Trent, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Kensington


and this birth ... no other birth matches that person ...

Births Sep 1865
Collins Lydia Dudley 6c 68

one person here at genesreunited has Lydia Collins 1865 Cosely Staffordshire in their tree so maybe they could confirm or deny my wild guess about that one :-) .......... no we can rule that out she is with her parents in Cosely in 1871

so Lydia Collins is not the person in the 1871 census in Kensington

but there is no Lydia birth in Burton upon Trent 1863 to 1867 with a name that looks like 'Coller'

now ... I wonder about this person

Marriages Sep 1859
Brosio Giovanni Thanet 2a 961 ( the correct reading I think )
Brosio Jevorne Thanet 2a 961
Giovanni Biosie Thanet 2a 961
Giovanni Brosio Thanet 2a 961
Saunders Josephine Rosina Thanet 2a 961


1861

Name: Josephine Brogden ( it looks like Brogdia )
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Giovanni Brogden
Gender: Female
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Westminster St Anne Soho

Giovanni Brogden 37 musician born Italy
Josephine Brogden 26 dress maker


and yes indeed her first marriage

Marriages Jun 1853
Saunders John Dean Thanet 2a 942
Stephenson Josephine Rosina Myers Thanet 2a 942

Deaths Sep 1858
Saunders John Dean Thanet 2a 391

best to add the connecting link to the other thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.page/board/ancestors/malschinger/thread/1225456

for info Ancestry has transcribed that 1861 census as

Thomas G Such 35
Adelaide Such 37
Mary Ann Washington 68

which I would say is certainly what it says ... why someone would read that as Malschinger I don't know !

I think probably you hadn't seen them together in a census, there doesn't seem to really be a Mary Malschinger


in 1861 Frederick is still with Janet in Lambeth

Frederick Malshinger 25
Janet Malshinger 24
Frederick Malshinger 3
Ann Malshinger 2
Bertha Malshinger 5 MO


here is my guess for who she was ( searching at familysearch for the given name Josephine Rosina born in Ramsgate Kent 1832-1836 )

name: Josephina Rosina Meyers Stevenson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 07 Jul 1833
baptism/christening place: St. George's Church, Ramsgate, Kent, England
father's name: Henry Stevenson
mother's name: Mary Stevenson
indexing project (batch) number: I00586-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1835586


1851

Name: Rosina Stephenson
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Visitor
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England

Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent

Frances Francis 21
Burtha Francis 2
Rosina Stephenson 17


1841

Name: Rosinia Stevenson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Preston By Wingham
County/Island: Kent
Registration district: Isle of Thanet

Henry Stevenson 42
Mary Stevenson 34
Rosinia Stevenson 8
Martha Stevenson 5
William Stevenson 2



and shipsmate if you would unlock your capitals key it will be a lot easier for us to read your posts :-)

IN THAT CASE, I SHALL REMOVE HER UNTIL I FIND THE CENSUS THAT HAD THEM BOTH ON. I KNOW THAT I SAW IT! MANY THANKS, SHIPSMATE.

As MarieCeleste says, the image of the 1861 census could well say Washington for Mary Ann's surname. It certainly doesn't seem to have the right letters to be Malschinger (there doesn't seem to be an "l" before the "s" or a "c" between the "s" and the "h".

Kath. x

IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LATER CENSUS ,I FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS A NURSE THAT WAY AND SHE AND MARY WERE BOTH ON IT.OF COURSE , NOW I CAN'T FIND IT!! THE NAME MALSCHINGER WAS BROUGHT TO THE U.K. BY 2 BROTHERS IN THE 1800'S AS FAR AS I KNOW, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT SOMEONE FROM KENT WAS ALSO A MALSCHINGER. SHIPSMATE.

MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU , I AM NOW A LOT WISER THAN I WAS REGARDING JOSEPHINE. SHIPSMATE.

Found it! But there's no mention of Josephine/Rosina?

SUAH, Thomas G Head Married M 35 1826 ... Hopton Somerset
SUAH, Adelaide Wife Married F 27 1834 Hale Common Sussex
MALSHINGER, Mary Ann Boarder Widow F 68 1793 Fundholder Dover Kent
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Sub District: 4 St George
Enumeration District: 5
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Georges

Address: 7, New Church Road, Camberwell County: London, Surrey

How do you know this is her mother?

(To be honest, on the original the surname could just as easy be Washington, would be interesting what other eyes see!)

I HAVE THAT CENSUS, THOMAS SUAH B. 1826, HOPTON, SOMERSET, HEAD. 7, NEW CHURCH RD. CAMBERWELL, LONDON.

I'm struggling to find that 1861 census that has Josephine and her mother MAry on it ........

To get back to your threads in future, all you need to do is look at the menu down the left hand side of the page and you'll see "My Threads". If you click on there you can get back to all your threads.

HI ANNN, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M NOT MUCH MORE COMPUTER SAVVY THAN I WAS AT THE BEGINNING!! SHIPSMATE.

HI MARIE CELESTE, YES, THAT IS MY TREE. IT WAS ALWAYS ODD TO ME THAT ANN JANNET WAS STILL ALIVE, YET ROSINA WAS DOWN AS HIS SPOUSE. IT SEEMS THAT AFTER HIS DEATH SHE ONCE AGAIN BOARDED AND WENT BACK TO NURSING, SHIPSMATE

see you already have a Malschinger thread - thought I recalled it - have nudged it up for you - really would have been better to continue wth that one :-)

HI, KATHLEEN & MILLIE MOLLIEAMANDA, THANKYOU BOTH SO MUCH, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A WHILE AND YOU ALL MANAGED TO FIND ALL OF THIS IN A MATTER OF MINUTES!!

The tree on Ancestry that I mentioned says Frederick married Ann Jannet Seymour. EDIT: Sorry - didn't see your response above.

But:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
???Biggs Rosina E London 1c 51
Hinder John E London 1c 51
Malschinget Friedrich Yarsbud Alois E. London 1c 51
Malschingot Friedrich Yarsbud Alois E. London 1c 51
Seymour Ann Jannet E. London 1c 51

No - that Rosina married John Hinder.

This one in 1881

Name: Josephine Malshinger
[Rosina Malschinger]
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Fredk. Malshinger
Gender: Female
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 48 Gloucester Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 697
Folio: 145
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredk. Malshinger 48
Josephine Malshinger 47
Bertha Bolt Malshinger 20

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I think this is her in the 1891 census but her age is transcribed as 37 instead of 57. It also says she IS married:-

GOLD, Edward J Head Married M 40 1851 Stationers Assistant
Chelsea
London VIEW
GOLD, Isabella Wife Married F 41 1850
Lambeth
London VIEW
GOLD, Edward J Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
GOLD, Isabel F Daughter Single F 11 1880 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
GOLD, Charles Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
GOLD, Henry Son Single M 2 1889
Bermondsey
London VIEW
GOLD, George J Son Single M 0 (1M) 1891
Peckham
London VIEW
RIGBY, Ellen Boarder Single F 26 1865 Manager Bag Manufacturing
Holburn
London VIEW
MALSCHINGER, Rosina Boarder Married F 37 1854 Nurse
Ramsgate
Kent <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Address:
2, Clifton Square, Camberwell, Peckham

Piece: 474
Folio: 106
Page: 60
Registration District: Camberwell

Kath. x