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In the 1881 census, Isaac Armstrong b.1855 in Mansfield, the brother of my 3x great grandfather was listed living at Wood Court in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire with his wife Ann and 3 kids. In the 1891 census, he is listed as an inmate at Dartmoor prison which from what I can make out was for those convicted of more serious crimes and given lengthy sentences or hard labour.

The only one of the family I can find after 1891 is Frank, the youngest child and by the 1901 census he is listed at Mansfield Union Workshouse. Can anyone help me go further to see what happened to the family? I don't seem to be able to find death records for any of them.

Correction - sorry, Frank is listed in the Mansfield Union Workshouse in the 1891 census, i.e. at the same time his father was in prison, aged 10.

Possible for Isaac. Seven years for housestealing after previous conviction

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Isaac Armstrong Name: Isaac Armstrong
Date of Trial: 15 Feb 1887
Trial Year: 1887
Location of Trial: Derbyshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Andy

Previous?

5 years sheepstealing


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Isaac Armstrong Name: Isaac Armstrong
Date of Trial: 24 Jul 1882
Trial Year: 1882
Location of Trial: Nottinghamshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Andy

Ok, thanks Andy. Where would you suggest I go to try and find out more? Also, why do you think I am unable to find records for the rest of the family?

Thanks

Here is why he ended up in Dartmoor:

Sheffield & Rotherham Independent, Mon. July 10th 1882

"On Saturday at Mansfield, Isaac Armstrong was charged with stealing a lamb from the racecourse, Mansfield, the property of John Rolling, Crown Farm. From information received Sergeant Hind went to the prisoner's house and found the carcase of the lamb upstairs in a bedroom, the skin being under the bed. Remanded.

Another account says he was committed for trial at Notts Assizes and that the value of the lamb was £2.

From an account in the same paper July 26th 1882:
At the trial it was stated that he had in the past been fined or imprisoned for 15 offences and because of this, he was sentenced to penal servitude for 5 years.

Andrew it is not house stealing it is Horse Stealing.

Always tricky when families just disappear from records. They might have emigrated or changed name.

There is this marriage but only be getting the cert can you check to see if he is part of your family

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
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>>>>ARMSTRONG Isaac Mansfield 7b 205
BRYAN Mabel Stansall Mansfield 7b 205
HARRIS John Thomas Mansfield 7b 205
WADE Beatrice Ellen Mansfield 7b 205


1911 census

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD ARMSTRONG ANNIE F 1907 4 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD ARMSTRONG BEATRICE E F 1878 33 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD ARMSTRONG BERNICE H F 1908 3 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD ARMSTRONG JOHN I M 1910 1 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD ARMSTRONG ISAAC M 1879 32 Mansfield Nottinghamshire

andy

Andy

in 1891 census it looks as if Ann is useing her maiden name

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Ann Thompson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2654
Folio: 77
Page Number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Thompson 33
Isaac Thompson 14
Edith Thompson 4


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2654; Folio 77; Page 54; GSU roll: 6097764.

Looks as if daughter Ann Armstrong is also in the workhouse in 1891 listed as Annie Armstrong aged 12.

1901 Ann is back as Armstrong ans says she is a widow

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Ann Armstrong
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Piece: 3141
Folio: 83
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Armstrong 46
Edith Armstrong 14
Walter Lowe 40 --boarder


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3141; Folio: 83; Page: 29.

Could this be Ann the wife on the 1901 census??

1901 England Census
about Ann Armstrong
Name: Ann Armstrong
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Piece: 3141
Folio: 83
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Armstrong 46 Widow Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Edith Armstrong 14 1887 Hucknall, Nottinghamshire
Walter Lowe 40 Boarder

their marriage

Marriages Dec 1875
>>>>>Armstrong Isaac Mansfield 7b 128
HANDLEY Sarah Mansfield 7b 128
HOBSON John Mansfield 7b 128
>>>>>THOMPSON Ann Mansfield 7b 128

Thanks everyone - didn't exactly learn his lesson did he? 5 years in 1882, gets out in 1887, immediately steals a horse and gets sent to Dartmoor for 7 years (found an entry on derbycourt.com related to him stealing the horse from Grassmoor Colliery and getting a 7 year sentence).

BrabarafromYorkshire - thanks for that. I didn't have a maiden name for Ann so I'll follow up on that one.

Poss for Ann??

1871 England Census
about Ann Thompson
Name: Ann Thompson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Thompson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Thompson
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 116
Piece: 3472
Folio: 61
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Thompson 69
Elizabeth Thompson 55
Mary Thompson 22
George Thompson 24
Ann Thompson 16
Harriet Thompson 14

Do you think this could be Frank?

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Frank Armstrong
Name: Frank Armstrong
Birth Place: Wellow, Notts
Residence: Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs
Death Date: 20 May 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Mansfield, Notts
Rank: SPR.
Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers
Number: 79196
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly 3/7390, Notts & Derby Regt. (184Th Tunn. Coy., R.E.

This looks like Ann & Annie in 1911

BURTON, Charles Head Married 14 years M 35 1876 Railway Co Employee Mansfield Nottinghamshire
BURTON, Annie Wife Married F 32 1879 Nottinghamshire (Children: 2 / 1 living)
BURTON, Nellie Daughter Single F 12 1899 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
ARMSTRONG, Ann Wife Mothers Widow F 55 1856 Mansfield Nottinghamshire

RG number:RG14 Piece:20333 Reference:RG14PN20333 RG78PN1219 RD428 SD5 ED1 SN336
Registration District:Mansfield Sub District:Mansfield Enumeration District:1 Parish:Mansfield
Address:6 Victoria Terrace Mansfield County:Nottinghamshire

Mel - I don't think that's him as the place of birth doesn't match to that given in the 1881 census (Mansfield). However, I did come across a branch of the family that moved to Barrow, so I'll definitely follow that up thankyou.

Pam - thanks for that

David - where should I be looking for access to newspaper references like the one you gave?

Thanks again everyone for your help.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Armstrong Annie Mansfield 7b 120
Burton Charles Mansfield 7b 120


1901 England Census
about Charles Burton Name: Charles Burton
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Burton
Gender: Male
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Piece: 3140
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Burton 25
Annie Burton 22
Ellen M Burton 2
Emma Comery 48






Andy

The newspaper references came from 19th Century Newspapers which you can access online through library membership. Mine is via Lancashire libraries but some other counties have the same access.