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Having difficulty in finding maiden names as follows:

Mary ? b.1844 married John NORTON b. 1842 c.1863 possibly at Tunstall or Wolverhampton.

Ann ? b. 1809 married Thomas NORTON b. 1807 possibly at Birmingham.

Being a newbie any help would be greatly appreciated.

The best place to search for marriages is freebmd:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

Have you found either couple on a census with children? If so, the DOB of the eldest child will help with the marriage date.

The marriage of Thomas and Ann may have been pre-GRO (came into being July 1837)

Try.............

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

What were the birthplaces of the people you name?

Are these couples your direct ancestors? If so, it would be better to get the birth cert of the child who is your direct ancestor which would give the mother's maiden name.

The marriage of Ann and Thomas is likely to be before civil registration started in 1837 so you will need to search parish records.

If you can give all the info you have, people will have a better chance of helping you.

Is this the second couple..........1851

Name: Thomas Norton
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Norton
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 2061
Folio: 136
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Norton 46
Mary Ann Norton 45
John Norton 23
Thomas Norton 20
Hy James Norton 17
George F W Z Norton 13
Emma Jane Norton 7
Caroline Haddigan 19

Ages of offspring suggest a marriage no later than c1827

The baptisms of the children can be found at

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bbatch_number%3AC077191+%2Bfather_givenname%3Athomas%7E+%2Bsurname%3Anorton%7E+%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22mary+ann%22%7E+

This looks like the daughter..........mother's maiden name will be on the cert

Births Jun 1844 (>99%)
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Norton Emma Jane Aston 16 205

Hi Potty

Amazed at the rapidity of responses!!!

Have tried FreeBMD but to no avail. However do have census record showing children post 1837 so thank you for the tip.

From 1851 census:

Norton Thomas Head b.1806 at Birmingham Warwickshire
Norton Ann Wife b.1809 at ditto
Norton George Son b.1828 at ditto
Norton Charles Son b.1832 at ditto
Norton Thomas Son b.1834 at ditto
Norton Edward Son b.1838 at Bilston Staffs
Norton John Son b.1842 at ditto
Norton James Son b.1844 at ditto
Norton Richard Son b.1850 at ditto

Does this help?

Hi Flick

Not sure this is the one. have youseen my response to Potty.

Sorry fast approaching senelity and can't type it all again.

Really frustrated by these brick walls which is Why I have appealed to you all!!!

Thank you for the responses

David

Bilston covered by Wolverhampton

Births Dec 1849
NORTON Richard - Wolverhampton 17 359

Son Charles ?

Household:1881

Charles NORTON Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Blank Trdy Manufacturer
Hannah NORTON Wife M Female 46 Bilston, Stafford, England
Edward NORTON Son U Male 20 Bilston, Stafford, England Forge Maker Lab
Charles NORTON Son Male 16 Bilston, Stafford, England Forge Maker Lab
Alice NORTON Dau Female 13 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar
Hannah NORTON Dau Female 11 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar
Thomas NORTON Son Male 11 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar
Elizabeth NORTON Dau Female 5 Bilston, Stafford, England
Hamlet NORTON Son Male 1 Bilston, Stafford, England
John NORTON Son Male 3 Bilston, Stafford, England


Dwelling Wolverhampton Rd No.5 Wards Building
Census Place Bilston, Stafford, England

What about the younger couple?

What can you tell us about them to help us to help you?

Hi Flick

From 1881 Census
Norton John Head b.1841 at Wolverhampton
Mary Wife b.1844 at Tunstall
Henry Son b.1870 at Darlington
Margaret Daughter b.1873 at ditto
Harriet ditto b, 1875 at ditto
John G Son b.1878 at ditto
Charles W Son b.1880 at ditto (MY GGrandfather)

I understand that birth records prior to 1911 do not indicate mothers maiden name is that correct?

If so I presume the only way is to apply to GRO for certificates.

Regards

David

Hi Mike

Although his YOB on the 1851 Census is shown as 1850.

Can you explain the Wolverhampton 17 359.

Many thanks

David

Hi David, just in case Mike isn't around at the moment: Wolverhampton 17 359, are the District, Vol and Page number that you will need to buy the cert online from the GRO. Certs cost £9.25 if you have this info. This is the site address:
www.gro.gov.uk/

As you have ancestors from Staffordshire, you might find this site useful:

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Some local bmd sites do give MMN pre1911 and they also "tie" up the partners to a marriage.

Hi Mike

Have just thought is it the Vol/Page reference for the certificate????

David

Yes........it is.

Sorry was offline.
Yes, that's correct.. reference nos.

Thanks Potty.

You can apply for certs online from GRO at £9.25 a time

Link :
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Ages on censuses are rarely accurate ( depends whether the birthday falls before of after the census date ... or whether they are telling the truth or not !!)

Potty you must be a mind reader 2 minutes before my thought process.

Thanks for the stffordshirebmd hint will look into that.

Thank you all for your help this afternoon.

Year of birth on census transcriptions is ESTIMATED......based on the person's age at the time.

A child born OND qtr 1849 would be aged ONE when 1851 census was taken.............hence est YOB 1850

Always take into account the date of the census.......and the child's birth date