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OK, I've done some more research on the Hodkinsons. I looked in censuses and FreeBMD, and I think they are the most likely family, though there doesn't seem to be any sort of direct link to my family. I expect it was just a charitable impulse on the part of my great-grandparents, helping out another local family.

Is it possible for me to post a photo?

Many thanks for all your input--it gave me a boost in the right direction.
Mary

I don't think the Tamworth family are the right ones. But I was wondering about the Hodkinsons. Definitely a possibility, I think.

If the daughters were averse to Violet, they probably made sure that she didn't think Frederick was her father................

And if she wasn't a sibling, of course she 'didn't look like them'

Poor Violet, she must have had a miserable time with them.............

7 children born since Sept 1911.

1911:

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD HODKINSON ANNIE F 1910 1 Ashbourne Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD HODKINSON GEORGE M 1883 28 Ashbourne Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD HODKINSON JAMES OSWALD M 1909 2 Ashbourne Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD HODKINSON MARTHA HANNAH F 1886 25 Ashbourne Derbyshire

So at least 9 children.
Rose

Mother probably died in childbirth:

Births Dec 1922
Hodkinson Olive Weston Cheadle 6b 535

Rose

If you search for Violet Ms born Cheadle in June or September quarter of 1918 there's only one option:

Births Sep 1918
Hodkinson Violet M Weston Cheadle 6b 513

Marriage for her parents:

Marriages Sep 1908
HODKINSON George Burton 6b 696
WESTON Martha Hannah Burton 6b 696

Death for her mother:

Deaths Dec 1922
Hodkinson Martha H 36 Cheadle 6b 328

Rose

So all those births in Tamworth including Violets are nothing to do with your family then?

Deaths Mar 1919 (>99%)
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Plant Violet M 0 Tamworth 6b 768

We're a very close family and know pretty much all there is to know. Also, the daughters didn't like Violet. She didn't join the family till she was nine or ten. And she doesn't look like them! ;-)

It would only name her father on the marriage cert (if known)

Why could she not be a child of one of the daughters?

Well, with the info I'm certain of, the only cert that would make sense to buy would be the marriage cert, and I'm pretty sure she'd give Frederick and Hannah Plant as her parents on that.

My dad has one cousin who might possibly have a little more info--guess I'll see if that helps any.

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Until you find the mother's name, you can't hope to find her death...............

If you don't buy some certs, you're not going to get anywhere.............assuming, of course, that you really want to find the answer.

She definitely wasn't the child of one of the daughters. But the Tamworth family is definitely a possibility. On the other hand, why would they be farmed out so far away? Maybe they were somewhat related Plants . . .

So far I've used Ancestry.com and FreeBMD.com but not much more. I think the death in 1979 is quite likely, giving her DOB as 1918.

Interesting that the 2 Female Plants born in 1924 both died . . . might be a reason for giving up older children, but I can't find a death of a corresponding mother (female of appropriate age) .

Large family?....................you say


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Plant Leonard B Brown Tamworth 6b 877

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Plant Florrie Brown Tamworth 6b 912

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Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Plant Gladys M Brown Tamworth 6b 768

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Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Plant Violet M Brown Tamworth 6b 681

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Plant Elsie Brown Tamworth 6b 1013

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Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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PLANT William H Brown Tamworth 6b 749

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Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
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PLANT Female BROWN Tamworth 6b 689
PLANT Female BROWN Tamworth 6b 689


How much research have you tried doing on this?

The best way to proceed is to obtain the birth cert.........the full names of the parents will be recorded. You can then do proper research on their names

Or buy the death cert.....for info about her birthplace

Legal adoption came into force in about 1927

The birth I posted was the only one for a Violet in Staffs in the possible time-scale......based on the DEATH.

It's unlikely to say the least that her first name would have been changed at the age of NINE

Hi Mary - I think Flick is onto something with that birth.

A possibility is that Violet may have been the child of one of the daughters (not unusual for a daughter's child to be brought up in that way - might well account for why it wasn't discussed). Could also explain why the birth was out of the home area.

Had similar occurrence in my family.

Thanks everyone! Frederick and Hannah were my great-grandparents, Catherine (aged 8 in 1911) was my grandmother. Violet joined the family when she was around 9 and the sisters (Mabel to Lizzie) were older teens or early twenties. My dad says it was never really talked about (which is why he doesn't know if she was ever formally adopted) but he thinks that a large family lost their mother (possibly both parents) and were "shared out" by the ladies of the village. I note she was married as Plant, which might mean 1) she was originally born a Plant and was in some way related to the family, 2) she was in fact legally adopted at some point, or 3) She just became informally known as Plant.
I wondered about Tamworth birth--although it's a bit far from Cheadle/Oakamoor.
I know it's a long shot, and unlikely that I'll ever find out anything more definitive, but I was just wondering if anyone else had any ideas. Again, thanks for the responses!!

1911 census - household transcription
Person: PLANT, Frederick
Address: Greendale Oakamoor Stoke on Trent


PLANT, Frederick Head Married M 41 1870 Brass Smelter Staff Cheadle VIEW
PLANT, Hannah Wife Married
19 years F 40 1871 Staff Kingsley VIEW
PLANT, Frederick Walter Son Single M 16 1895 Electric Crane Driver Staff Kingsley VIEW
PLANT, Mabel Daughter F 12 1899 School Staff Oakamoor VIEW
PLANT, Hannah Pretoria Daughter F 10 1901 School Staff Oakamoor VIEW
PLANT, Catherine Mary Daughter F 8 1903 School Staff Oakamoor VIEW
PLANT, Emily Daughter F 6 1905 School Staff Oakamoor VIEW
PLANT, Lizzie Daughter F 4 1907 Staff Oakamoor VIEW
PLANT, Gertrude Annie Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Staff Oakamoor VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16674 Reference:
RG14PN16674 RG78PN1032 RD363 SD1 ED6 SN135A

Registration District:
Cheadle Sub District:
Alton Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Oakamoor

This is a HUGE long shot...........

Births Sep 1918

Plant Violet M Brown Tamworth 6b 681

This may be her death, which gives DOB (as known to the informant), but that's probably as far as you will be able to get......although if, as you suggest, she wasn't taken in by the Plants until she was 9, it's likely that her first name, at least, remained unaltered

Name: Violet Mary Bates
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1918
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1979
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Staffordshire Moorlands
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 30
Page: 1335

The death cert will also include her place of birth......but, again, that's only 'as known', and can't be guaranteed to be accurate

What are you looking for exactly? Do you know when she died and where?

If she was adopted, not going to find out her birth name if thats what you are looking for