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Thank you Derek really appreciate your help.
Thank you for offering to look at Matlock record office for me,I live in Wales so Derbyshire is just that bit too far to go hunting for information which may or may not be there
regards Kath

Hello Kath.......sometimes purchasing marriage certificates is the only way...but there were no "Certificates" as such before 1837. It is possible to purchase copies of Marriage entries before 1837..but will only give you the Father's name..so you're no further forward..
As part of my Derbyshire Thread work, i often go to Matlock Records Office.where I will find the Tissington records......which may or may not provide the answer..........I'll let you know in due course.

Derek.

Only just seen your reply Derek.
I have been digging around all afternoon and really have not got any were.
Charles Thorntons birth was 1825 in Tissington according to census so if the marriage for James and Sophia on 23/10/1824 is correct then the christening record for Charles naming his mother as Mary is a puzzle.

If the marriage between James and Sophia is 1825 well I suppose again it is possible that his mother was Mary and Sophia was a second marriage but I just don't see it.

Like you say it is also possible that Sophia is also Mary but as far as I can see the name Mary is not used on any census.
I could send for the birth certificates for the younger of James and Sophia's children but I think it is a lot of expense and I may not find out any more than I know already
Emet is such an unusual surname I thought I would have no problem finding Sophia's christening record even though it was in the London area but I can find none
Any way I just do not know were to take this now so I think I will have to leave it has it is and move on................for now !
Thanks again everyone
Kath

Just a thought.....could it be that Sophia and Mary are the same person??? very frequently you get different names on different censuses..particularly if she was Sophia Mary..or Mary Sophia......as flick intimated i have considerable resources for Derbyshire.and nowhere can I find an alternative marriage for Charles............you may have notice on IGI that there are two entries for the same marraige 23.10.1824..and 23.10.1825...........anything is possible!!!

Derek

Yes thats them on the 1851 census
All charles children were born in Farnworth
Charles died there in 1858 his wife Emma in 1877
Thanks Flick :-)

Name: Charles Thornton
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Thornton
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Tisington, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Kersley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 2206
Folio: 132
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Thornton 26
Emma Thornton 26
James J Thornton 2
Eliza A Thornton 6 MO
James J Thornton 23 ***************BROTHER, b. Bentley, derbyshire
Emma Scott 10

Thank you Flick
so it looks like James was born in London

Flick it says James was a Clerk

1851

Name: James Thornton
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia Thornton
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Martins, London, England

Civil parish: Tissington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashborne
Sub-registration district: Brailsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 2146
Folio: 399
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Thornton 48 ***********Book Keeper
Sophia Thornton 45 born London, St George's
Isabella Thornton 8
Sophia Thornton 6
Elizabeth Bennett 60

Thank you everyone the possibility of two marriages never crossed my mind but now it has been said yes I think it is .

Thank you for the 1851 census as Charles is missing I am sure it must be the correct family

Flick I will look at the thread for derbyshire looks up thank you
Thank you again
Kath

What was James's occupation?

JAMES THORNTON Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: SOPHIAH EMET Family
Marriage: 23 OCT 1824 Tissington, Derby, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: M059013 1810 - 1883

JAMES THORNTON Pedigree
Male Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: SOPHIAH EMET Family
Marriage: 23 OCT 1825 Tissington, Derby, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: M059011

Flick I have the marriage certificate so I know his father was JAMES THORNTON but I have been trying to find his mothers name and siblins.

As the christening record I found said his mothers name was Mary I was trying to find his parents marriage but all I found was James marrying a Sophiah.

Susan
thank you but would that mean the christening was in London ?

The baptisms for Charles with mother MARY, and William with mother SOPHIA are on the SAME Batch on the IGI.

I drew the same conclusion as Choccy...........two marriages for JAMES

looks like Luke didn't survive


Births Jun 1840 (>99%)
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Thornton Luke Ashborne 19 352

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Deaths Jun 1843 (>99%)
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THORNTON Luke Ashbourne 19 267

You could also add a request to the Derbyshire lookups thread posted on the boards by Derek

1851

THOMTON, James Head Married M 48 1803 Book Keeper
St Martins
London VIEW
THOMTON, Sophia Wife Married F 45 1806
St Georges
London VIEW
THOMTON, Isabella Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Tissington
Derbyshire VIEW
THOMTON, Sophia Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Tissington
Derbyshire VIEW
BENNETS, Elizabeth Visitor Unmarried F 60 1791 Cotton Spinner
Prestwood
Staffordshire VIEW

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Piece:
2146 Folio:
399 Page:
19 Registration District:
Ashbourne

Civil Parish:
Tissington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Woodeaves, Tissington County:
Derbyshire

Thank you.
That looks like him but if it is then the christening record I have found is not the correct one and there is no christening record for a CHARLES THORNTON B1825 with parents JAMES and SOPHIA
much appreciate your help Choccy
Kath

Have you thought of buying the marriage cert for his father's details?