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PM just received

Sent for unabridged marriage cert. Only says he was born in SA, Divorced and 51 in 1919.


Please add info to the thread and not by pm

Now then, this is interesting or should I say muddying the waters! It may explain why Robert John wasn't with Sarah and the children in 1901 when the cesus was taken.

Name: John Hogan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age at enlistment: 35
Birth Parish: St Marys
Birth County: Limerick
Document Year: 1901
Regimental Number: 18275
Regiment Name: Royal Horse and Royal Field Artillery
Number of images: 7



Height 5'2"
Complexion Fresh
Eyes Blue
Hair Light Brown
Roman Catholic
Figure of a woman on left forearm and Scar back of neck.

A copy of his death record is included.

ROBERT John Hogan died 10th March 1939 at 131 Stow Hill, Newport, aged 73 years of 1 New Street, Newport. Dock Labourer (retired). Cause Cardiac Failure and Senile Myocarditis. The informant was E. R. Lynch, Daughter in attendance of 1 New Street, Newport.

Served in South Africa 1899.

NOK: wife Sarah, 17 Kresweth (Sorry no tooo clear) Place, Cathays, Bristol.

Marriage to Sarah Watch, Spinster, 9.11.91 Witnesses Wm. Savill and C. Savill.


He enlisted in Octber 1884 and was recalled in 1899. In 1884 he gave his next of kin as his mother Catherine, Francis Street, Limerick. He intended to stay at Bath Street, Bristol on his discharge.

So given the above information can the Robert John that married Sarah Watch be Sheilagh's Robert John?

PM received saying there are no family details for the man on any certs...........

Reinforces the idea that he was lying about being divorced

Sheilagh.................

Please don't click on a name to give info........use the 'add your reply' box

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Births Dec 1892 Hogan Robert John Bedminster 5c 638
Deaths Jun 1893 Hogan Robert John 0 Bedminster 5c 428a

Births Sep 1895 Hogan Albert Edward Bedminster 5c 625
Deaths Sep 1895 Hogan Albert Edward 0 Bedminster 5c 362


Ileen and the surviving Robert John were twins?

Births Mar 1894
Hogan Ileen Rose Bedminster 5c 674
Hogan Robert John Bedminster 5c 574

1911 census -

HORGAN, Robert Jon Head Married M 39 1872 Machine Driller Loco In Ship Repairing Limerick Ireland W
HORGAN, Sarah Wife Married 21 years F 39 1872 Bristol Bedminster
HORGAN, Robert John Son Single M 17 1894 G W R Glass On Bottle Bottle Maker Bristol Bedminster
HORGAN, Eillen Rose Daughter Single F 17 1894 Bristol Bedminster
HORGAN, Horace P Son M 8 1903 Newport Mon
HORGAN, Percy Son M 6 1905 Newport Mon
HORGAN, A R Son M 3 1908 Newport Mon

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RG number: RG14 Piece: 31964 Reference: RG14PN31964 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED5 SN264
Registration District: Newport Sub District: Newport
Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Newport
Address: 24 Henry St Newport Mon County: Monmouthshire

Original census states 9 children born, 4 have died

Marriages Dec 1915
Hogan Eileen R Lynch Newport M. 11a 670
Lynch Thomas Hogan Newport M. 11a 670


8 children born to this marriage. Even 1 named for her Dad!

When I put Ireland in as the place of birth for Robert Jon it still came up.

Births Mar 1903 Hogan Horace Patrick Newport M 11a 242
Births Sep 1905 Hogan Percy Newport, M. 11a 242
Births Mar 1908 Hogan Arthur Reginald Newport, M. 11a 279


Name: Horace P Hogan
Spouse Surname: Silvey, Dora I
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire, Shropshire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 598


Name: Horace P Hogan
Birth Date: abt 1903
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Caerleon
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 89


Name: Percy Hogan
Birth Date: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 8c
Page: 166

Well spotted Glitterbaby!!

Don't have a sub. to look at this.

HOUSEHOLD HORGAN A R M 1908 3 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN EILLEN ROSE F 1894 17 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN HORACE P M 1903 8 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN PERCY M 1905 6 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN ROBERT JOHN M 1894 17 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN ROBERT JON M 1872 39 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD HORGAN SARAH F 1872 39 Newport Monmouthshire

???

Name: Ileen Rose Lynch
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1894
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1982
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 28
Page: 1475

Name: Robert John Hogan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1892
Christening Date: 15 Dec 1892
Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Father's Name: Robert John Hogan
Mother's Name: Sarah


Name: William George Hogan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1898
Christening Date: 27 Jan 1898
Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Father's Name: Robert John Hogan
Mother's Name: Sarah


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Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Hogan Ileen Rose Bedminster 5c 674



Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
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HOGAN William George Bristol 6a 6

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Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Hogan William George 0 Bristol 6a 4

Perhaps he deserted them and then claimed to be divorced

Not seeing any of the other children or Sarah in 1911 so perhaps they all went to SA

Name: Edith Adelaide Hogan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1899
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 93


Name: Edith Adelaide Hogan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1902
Age at Death: 3
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 106

A bit unusual to have a divorce unless a wealthy man

Sarah in 1901??

Name: Sarah Hogan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Redcliffe St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2376
Folio: 58
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Hogan 36 Married
Eileen Hogan 7
Robert J Hogan 7
Edith A Hogan 2

His father should be named on the marriage cert............

Aged 51 in late 1919 makes his birth c1868, which would fit with the marriage posted by GlitterBaby

However, there is no record of emigration for anyone of the name on FMP

I'm overwhelmed with all the interest. This is my first time folks so please be patient.
Have Robert John Hogan's death certificate: 4/3/1938 aged 73yrs Address 41 Fife Ave. Berea, Johannesburg, Transvaal, SA.
Retired Insurance Agent
Crematorium - Braamfontein, Johannesburg

Marriage cert. Status: Divorced aged 51
Married Emily Willis Stringer (my maternal Grandmother born in Steyning, Sussex UK 1895) aged 24 in Dundee, Natal, South Africa 24/12/1919
Civil marriage.

I know nothing of this man and am keen to add info to my tree. THX all

Flick

Good point about the marriage cert

Maureen


There is this marriage but no idea if connected or not
Name: Robert John Hogan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1868
Age: 23
Father's Name: Robert John Hogan
Spouse's Name: Sarah Watch
Spouse's Age: 25
Spouse's Father's Name: William Watch
Marriage Date: 9 Nov 1891
Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

How do you know that he had been divorced?

If it's as a result of having the 1919 marriage cert.........what other info does it hold?