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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 16:14
	It certainly looks like he may have been plain Frederick and just stuck in a middle name when he felt like it! Best wishes to you too for a Merry Christmas and a Happy and successful 2012.
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 16:00
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Thanks for all of your help, at least I know I wasnt being majorly stupid. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:55
	Well, I don't think we have a birth certificate for you to order yet other than the one that Margee posted......... Births Jun 1861 JAMES Frederick Cheltenham 6a 375
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:52
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Is there any other way I can trace this?
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:52
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Mmmmmm very frustrating. Do you think I should order a birth certificate to see whether Frederick actually had the same mother?
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:46
	Don't see a birth on FreeBMD that matches the Fred with William and Ann. Of course there was no penalty for not registering a birth prior to 1875.
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:38
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Rootgatherer unfortunately I dont have a birth certificate to confirm mother's surname.
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:36
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	This is where I get really confused, I found a William James and Ann James Name: Frederick James Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Father's Name: William James Mother's Name: Ann James Gender: Male Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Newnham Town: Newnham County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Westbury On Severn Sub-registration district: Newnham ED, institution, or vessel: 32a Household schedule number: 128 Piece: 2602 Folio: 46 Page Number: 25 Wondered if this might have been him? What do you think?
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:35
	Do you have a birth certificate for one of Frederick Charles James's children to confirm Ellen's maiden surname please?
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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:33
	??? 1861 Name: Frederick W James Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: William James Mother's Name: Mary A James Gender: Male Where born: Norton, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Norton County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: Kingsholm ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 1764 Folio: 80 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William James 27 Chair Maker Mary A James 34 Lucretia James 6 Ellen J James 4 Sarah E James 2 Frederick W James 1
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:25
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	This is the problem I have found sometimes it is Frederick Charles and sometimes Frederick William James. Flipping relatives!!! ha ha ha Typical of my family. lol
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:23
	Frederick WILLIAM James married Ellen Clark in 1884. Name: Frederick William James, Railway Porter Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Spouse Name: Ellen Clarke Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Nov 1884 Parish: Camden Town All Saints Borough: Southwark Father Name: William James, Contractor Spouse Father Name: John Clarke, Labourer Register Type: Parish Register He definately signed as Frederick WILLIAM James!
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:23
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Thank you Margee that information I have investigated quite extensively, actually traced two of the sisters to Canada and visited relatives earlier this year with my mum. Its Frederick Charles James's parents I am now struggling with. Thank you for your help though. Didnt have the Baptism date before.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23 482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:23
	Marriage gives father's name William: London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Frederick William James Name: Frederick William James Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Spouse Name: Ellen Clarke Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Nov 1884 Parish: Camden Town All Saints Borough: Southwark Father Name: William James Spouse Father Name: John Clarke Register Type: Parish Register He's a railway porter, his father a contractor, her father a labourer. Address for both 59 Camden St. Witnesses Allen Potts/Pitts? and Alice Sexton.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23 482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:20
	Sidney's birth: London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sidney James Name: Sidney James Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1892 Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1892 Father's Name: Frederick Charles James Mother's Name: Ellen James Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras St Matthew Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Born 4 Aug 1892, 41 Camden St., father a carman. Baptised same day: Frederick William born 19 June 1885. Ellen Emily born 4 Sep. 1886. Annie May born 9 July 1888 Alice born 25 Aug. 1890.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:15
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Frederick Charles James married Ellen Clarke on 2 Nov 1884 at Camden Town. She was born in Wappenham Northamptonshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:11
	Do you have the birth certificate for one of his children to confirm the mother's maiden surname please? Is this his marriage? William not Charles? Marriages Dec 1884 Brett William Pancras 1b 30 Clarke Ellen Pancras 1b 30 JAMES Fredrick William Pancras 1b 30 Metcalf Julia Caroline Pancras 1b 30
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Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Ryswick23	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:04
Member Since: October 2006 Posts: 116 Send Message	Yes this is most definately him, my grandfather was Sidney James.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23 482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:03
	Possible? Cheltenham district covers Sudely. Births Jun 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES Frederick Cheltenham 6a 375
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13 469 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	20 Dec 2011 15:03
	Is this the man you are looking for please? 1911 Name: Fredrick Charles James Age in 1911: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Newnham, Gloucester, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 41 Camden Street, Camden Town, London N W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 27 Occupation: SALESMAN COVENT GARDEN FLOWER MARKET FERNS IMPORTEE Registration district: St Pancras Registration District Number: 9 Sub-registration district: East St Pancras ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Piece: 00728 Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Charles James 50 Ellen James 51 Fred James 26 Sidney James 19 Lilly James 17 Kate James 15 John James 11 Edward James 8
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