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Hi, hope someone can help locate Eleanor (Ellen) Kerr in 1891 please. She was born Cleator Moor 1870, father William (c1835 Scotland) and they should be in Barrow in Furness in 1891, but her mother Christina is dead by then. She has a sister Elizabeth born 1874 Barrow, and I can't find her either.

Ellen married John McLean in July 1891, and the address given was 16 Newland Street, Barrow. Trying an address search on FMP does not list this address, it only seems to cover the odd numbers of the street.

She had a daughter registered as Jane Kerr in 1890, who appeared on later census as Jane McLean. I can find the family on all other census, but not 1891. So any help greatly appreciated!

This one??

1881 England Census
about Ellen Kerr
Name: Ellen Kerr
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Christina Kerr
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 57 Brick Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4291
Folio: 6
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Kerr 49
Peter Kerr 19
Andrew Kerr 17
John Kerr 15
Michael Kerr 12
Ellen Kerr 11
Christina Kerr 9
Elizabeth Jane Kerr 7

??? maybe she thought she was born in Scotland the same as her dad

1891 census

Name: Ellen Kerr
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Foreign Trade
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:25 Royal Parade

Occupation:waitress

Condition as to marriage:single

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4209
Folio: 50
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ellison 23
Isabel Ellison 26
Lily Ellison 2
Mary E Ellison 5/12
Annie Smith 52
Ellen Kerr 22
Mary Ryan 15
Thomas Brown 61
William Brunskill 24
William Oglethorpe 23

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4209; Folio 50; Page 10; GSU roll: 6099319.

Hi Mel,
Thanks for the reply. Yes that's the family in 1881, but I can't find Ellen or Elizabeth or their father in 1891.

Don't think that's her Shirley, it was pretty consistent with the birth location through the other census returns & I think they stayed local to Barrow, and no sign of daughter Jane with this one.

her brother Andrew and sister Christina
1891
ame: Christina Kert
[Christina Kerr]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:Ship Street no 8

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 23b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3487
Folio: 21
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Kerr 37 occ rivetter
Mary Kerr 24
Christina Kerr 8
William Kerr 1
John Kerr 3/12
Christina Kerr 19
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3487; Folio 21; Page 14; GSU roll: 6098597.

How od would William be on the 1891 census please?

Where is William in 1881?

Just says on the 1881 census William Kerr absent.

According to the 1881 original image William was absent at the time of the census, but it states Christina was wife of William. He was an engine driver/engineer, and I haven't found him in 1881. He died in Barrow in 1896, recorded as living 61 John Street, which I've confirmed from the ER. In 1891 he would have been about 56.

Thanks for the help!

Added, Ellen's brother Michael was married in 1889 and also gave the address in Newland Street on his marriage - (I've got him in 1891), but I wonder if FMP simply hasn't transcribed the even side of the street?

Bit of a difference in age on this census. 1873 instead of 1870.

1901 England Census
about Ellen McLean
Name: Ellen McLean
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John McLean
Gender: Female
Where born: Cleator Moor, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 4011
Folio: 105
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
John McLean 31
Ellen McLean 28
Jane McLean 10
Ellen McLean 7
John McLean 6
Agnes McLean 4
Isabella McLean 2

Hi Shirley, yes that's her brother & sister 1891, and Mel's 1901 is correct, typical woman, lies about her age! I do it all the time.

If dau Jane Kerr 1890 was born in Jul Aug Sep then she would'nt be on the 1891 census.

An address search can't be done on Ancestry, but if you could post the ED No for the Newland St even numbers, I will see if the description covers odd numbers as well.

Sorry, I can't access the ED number, don't have a sub for FMP. Is there anywhere else I can access this do you know? GR won't do an address search.

I would offer to check all the ED descriptions for Barrow but there are 31 plus the Workshouse (the images of which I have searched with no luck).

Perhaps someone with a FMP sub could look?

The ED No for the family in 1881 is 1 - I tried to check the same ED for 1891 and there is no ED1! I know that EDs are often different for different years but it does seem a little odd that this one is missing.

Thanks all for trying, I really appreciate your time & input, maybe I'll have to buy some credits on FMP, but I've been trying not to have to - it gets really expensive at times.

Doing a google search, have found this record, gives the ED for another house in Newland Street, and someone else having difficulty finding someone living there - is this any help in finding my family?? - I've tried searching on GR, but this image is unavailable.

Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship to head-of-house / Occupation
Titherington, William 60 Musbury, Lancashire Head Railway Plate Layer
Titherington, Ann 72 Stockland, Westmoreland Wife
Lewis, Mary 19 Barrow, Lancashire Niece Domestic Worker
Houseley, Richard 26 Barrow, Lancashire Nephew Ship [looks like...] Dormer
Hughes, George 46 Milford Haven, PEM Boarder Barrow Ditto

Source information: RG12/3482
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Folio: 30
Page: 54
!

Checking the images now, will let you know if I find anything.