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Census records aren't always correct. Is it definitely him on the 1901 & 1911?

It could also be that his parents were Scottish and he was born in England

Have you ruled out this marriage ?

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Brown Alice Liverpool 8b 25
Graham John George Liverpool 8b 25
Jones Margaret Liverpool 8b 25
WILKES Robert Morris Liverpool 8b 25



1911 just for info
GRAHAM, John Head Married M 45 1866 General Labourer Lancashire Manchester VIEW
GRAHAM, Maggie Wife Married
18 years F 38 1873 House Wife Cardigan Aberystwyth VIEW
GRAHAM, John Son Single M 17 1894 Warehouse Clerk Drapery Lancashire Manchester VIEW
GRAHAM, William Son M 14 1897 Errand Boy Lancashire Manchester VIEW
GRAHAM, Frederick Son M 9 1902 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
GRAHAM, Robert Son M 6 1905 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
GRAHAM, Alice Daughter F 4 1907 Lancashire Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24167 Reference:
RG14PN24167 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED34 SN226

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
34 Parish:
Manchester

Address:
2 Warhurst St Manchester

Hi Glitter, it looks as though that marriage was with Alice Brown and not
Margaret:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892

GRAHAM John G BROWN Alice Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/86/221

Oh bother so that rules that one out.


1891 poss
Name: Maggie Jones
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberystwith South, Wales

Civil parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Streatham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 458
Folio: 57
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Wells 58
Mary Stewart 11
Amy Shepherd 10
Irene Shepherd 10
Elizabeth A Taylor 32
Sarah Wyatt 60
Eva J Hansell 16
Lucy Pritchard 15
Maggie Jones 18



But miles away from Lancashire

David,

Do you have a birth cert giving her maiden name as Jones?

GB

Is this a red herring ?

Name: Maud Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1887
Mother's name: Maggie Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John´s Wood St Mark
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Couldn't see a marriage in Scotland for John Graham and Margaret Jones on Scotlandspeople.

Going to rule out that baptism as found a possible on 1891 with mother Maggie b1861

The 1911 census gives,

married-------18 years.......

1901 and 1911 census records i beleie i have the correct famiily as we know the children are correct

i have the birth certificate for my grandfather Robert graham born manchester oct 1904

it states mother as magie graham formely jones

father as john graham

we do know from familly that his wife maggie was from wales

thanks kay i neer thought to check that date from the 18 years married in the 1911 census

sorry new to the boards, should i post replies here or send message to each person

And thanks for all the help

Hi David, you can post all replies to people posting here on the boards - it's easier for you :)

Had Maggie been married before ?

Marriages Jun 1894 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date Joseph Edward Carnarvon 11b 727
Graham John - Carnarvon 11b 727
Jones Eliza Ann Carnarvon 11b 727
Pritchard Maggie - Carnarvon 11b 727

Glitter...such a pity about that 1892 marriage. I probably could have looked it up tomorrow.

Hmmm does anyone know whether "Formerly" Jones always means nee /maiden name Jones.

It's just that I've got something nagging in the back of my mind, one of my Scottish ancestors was widowed and was referred to formerly........

Mind you it also listed her maiden name.

Sorry Mike, i didn't spot that!

mike i had not thought she could already hae been married, thats a good one for me to follow up
it would make sense as my familly say she had a child already when she met john graham, they thought she had the child out of wedlock though