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Hi all

I am trying to confirm the birth place of Ivy Florence Glenn, born circa 1904

Her mother was agnes Glenn nee Pinnegar
Father was Henry (Harry Glenn)
I have been given to understand that Ivy was born Warks,
but I have seen a birth for Ivy F in Hanwell, London in 1905, to Harry and Amelia Glen

I would be grateful any help however small

Thanks

Tom

Births Mar 1905
Glenn Ivy Florence - Brentford 3a 200

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Marriages Jun 1896 )
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***********Glen Henry Marylebone 1a 1204
LINES Charles Albert Marylebone 1a 1204
**************Pinnegar Agnes Marylebone 1a 1204
Skinner Louisa Marylebone 1a 1204


Harry is short for Henry

Hi Mike
Thanks for your reply

The 1905 birth is the one I mentioned re Hanwell ( Brentford)
but the family are sure that the birth was in warwickshire

Thanks

Tom

Never trust what people say over what you can prove.

Buy the certificate to confirm it's her.


I presume Warks means Warwickshire ( please write so everone can understand)

Why would she not be born local to parents marriage ?

This is the baptism for the birth you mentioned

Name: Ivy Florence Glenn
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1905
Born: 20 Dec 1904
Father's Name: Harry Glenn occ Labourer
Mother's Name: Agnes Glenn
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hanwell St Mark
Borough: Ealing
Address: 174 Graham Gardens Hanwell
Register Type: Parish Registers

1911


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GLENN, Henry Charles Head Married M 33 1878 Enameller Cycle Birmingham VIEW
GLENN, Amelia Wife Married
11 years F 36 1875 Aston VIEW
GLENN, Millicent Alice Daughter F 10 1901 School Erdington Warwickshire VIEW
GLENN, Gertrude May Daughter F 9 1902 School Birmingham VIEW
GLENN, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 School Birmingham VIEW
GLENN, William Henry Son M 4 1907 Birmingham VIEW
GLENN, Leonard Ernest Son M 1 1910 Birmingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18004 Reference:
RG14PN18004 RG78PN1095 RD384 SD1 ED16 SN149

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Ladywood Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
3 Bk 49 Garbett St Ladywood Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Regards Vera

Do you know when Ivy died? If so what was her married name?

For background:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Asghar Pinnegar [Agnes Pinnegar]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Henry Glen < Labourer
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jan 1896
Parish: St Marylebone St Matthew
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Joseph Pinnegar < Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Henry Glen < Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither had been married before. Address for both 20 Venables ?? Street.

Witnesses: Ellen Pinnegar and someone like George Barnacle Highmouth

Probably the Florence above. ...but she's not Ivy

Births Mar 1904
Glenn Florence - Aston 6d 342



So which one are you looking for ?

Hi Mike
Thanks for for what you have given me, I have been given assurance that
Ivy's mother was Agnes Pinnegar, as this is what I have just received
: " Let me see if I can get everything in order. Agnes Pinnegar married Henry or Harry Glenn who were my Mothers parents"

Hi Vera

Thank you for the information you have gien me, the problem is that the mother is named Amelia and has lead to the confusion

Kind regards to you both

Tom

The other marriage
Florence's parents ...... IN WARWICKSHIRE


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Marriages Sep 1900

Baxter Amelia - Aston 6d 677
Glenn Henry Charles - Aston 6d 677



NOT parents of Ivy Florence

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Tom, do you know when Ivy died? Also what was her married name?

EDIT

We could then try to find her death which might have a birth date so that we could then tie this in with the birth date given on the baptismal record that I've given above

If you were looking for Ivy F. I don't understand why you settled on a different Florence.

Might the confusion be because Agnes Pinnegar was born Warks?

1891:
PINEGAR, Johiah Head Married M 67 1824 Railway Labourer Stonehouse Gloucestershire
PINEGAR, Ann Wife Married F 47 1844 Kinlet Shropshire
PINEGAR, Nathinel Son Single M 21 1870 Agricultural Labourer Hanley Breconshire
PINEGAR, Thomas Son Single M 18 1873 Agricultural Labourer Barrow in Furness Lancashire
PINEGAR, Agnes Daughter Single F 14 1877 Warwick Warwickshire <<
PINEGAR, Ellen Daughter Single F 12 1879 Scholar Warwick Warwickshire
PINEGAR, Frederick Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar Selly Oak Warwickshire
PINEGAR, Fanny Daughter Single F 4 1887 Scholar Edenbridge Kent
PITTS, John Lodger Single M 36 1855 Railway Labourer Sherborne Gloucestershire
HEARN, Ruben Lodger Single M 18 1873 Railway Labourer Chorley Wood Berkshire

Registration District: Aylesbury
Civil Parish: Aylesbury

Address: 10, California, Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire

So, perhaps it's Ivy's MOTHER that was born there, not her. Father Josiah would be Joseph on her marriage record and the witness Ellen would be her sister shown here.

Ivy's death?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Ivy Florence Hughes
Birth Date: 21 Dec 1904
Date of Registration: Aug 1986
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Slough
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 588

First marriage:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1924
GLENN Ivy F Smith Paddington 1a 124
Smith John H Glenn Paddington 1a 124

Second:
Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Hughes Victor G J Smith Kensington 1a 189
Smith Ivy F Hughes Kensington 1a 189

Looks promising, MC.....

Looks like the family in 1901, but can't find 1911:

GLENN, Harry Head Married M 27 1874 General Labourer Bourne Lincolnshire
GLENN, Agnes Wife Married F 24 1877 Wormley Hertfordshire
GLENN, Ellen Daughter F 6 1895 Welling Kent
GLENN, Harry Son M 4 1897 Marylebone London
GLENN, Emma Daughter F 2 1899 St Johns Wood London
GLENN, Agnes Daughter F 0 (2W) 1901 New Cross London

Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford

Address: 125, Folkestone Gardens, St Paul Deptford County: London

All of a sudden Agnes is from Hertfordshire !

Mike - considering the rate her family moved around it's not surprising they were confused!

Can anyone find them in 1911?

By the way, I should add that there's a very well documented tree on anc*ry with photos of them all.

To Mike and Marie Celeste

Would you both accept my apologies for not replying sooner as I have had visitors and so I was unable to reply to you

Firstly, I asked these questions on behalf of an old friend who is now living abroad, I also knew Ivy when were neighbours, then she was married to
George Hughes, as her first husband had passed away in 1931

I would like to thank you both very much for your time and effort on my behalf
I will look at all the information you have both offered and pass it on to my old friend

Kind regards

Tom