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Hi

I am struggling to find Charles Mayhew on any census until 1871 and would like to find one before he was married so I could find his parents and siblings(if any).

His birth appears to be registered in the first quarter of 1841 St Pancras, so I can send for a copy of that at some time but if anyone can help with 1841, 1851 and 1861 census records that would be really useful.

I think he married Mary Norris registered in Hartley Wintney in 1864.

After this I have Identified him in all the census records from 1871 onwards (details below)

in 1871 they were living in Winchfield (Hartley Wintney) and although the copy on Genes is poor he is a schoolmaster and she is a school mistress. They have two sons Charles and William.

in 1881 they were still in Winchfield and he still has an occupation of National Schoolmaster. Children are Herbert, Arthur, Mary and Emma

in 1891 found him as Chas Mayhew school master elementary school with wife and daughters Elizabeth and Emma. Not sure where Elizabeth came from as year of birth the same as Mary's from the previous census (but not what I'm asking about so forget I mentioned it)

in 1901 he has become a widower, but still a schoolmaster and living with daughter Mary.

in 1911 I found him as Charlton Mayhew (retired schoolmaster) living with his now married daughter Mary

Thanks for reading!

Martyn

Just for info - birth year a bit different though:

1871 England Census

Name: Charles Mayhew
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mayhew
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Winchfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
Town: Winchfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Hartley Wintney

Charles Mayhew 34
Mary Mayhew 30
Charles H Mayhew 5
Wm Mayhew 4

1861 England Census

Name: Charls Mayhew schoolmaster
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Dogmersfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Dogmersfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England


Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham

Ann Noris 55
James Noris 25
Martha Noris 22
Mary Noris 20
Emily Norris 18
Charls Mayhew 20

Thanks for the 1861. That would explain a marriage to Mary Norris :-)

Just realised - this supports his marriage theory as he is living in the Norris household!

Absolutely! And of course I missed the Norris family because it was spelt Noris!

Crossed posts there.
What you now need is a marriage lookup for his father's name. I think this should be available on Ancestry Parish records, but I don't have full membership - hopefully someone else will be able to access this.
Jan

Hi Jan

Thanks for all your help. It's progress anyway :-)

Martyn

Naughty Jan !! - How dare you suggest deleting useful info !!! :-D

I thought the marriage was in Hampshire?

I will gladly look up a London marriage if you tell me which one I am looking for.

Martyn - It is always a 'no no' to delete info once it has been found, especially if you would like more info on the same people.;-)

Just add on to here what you would like next - that way we have all the info together and don't have to go re-finding it.

Dea Xxx

OOPS! You are right. This is the marriage. I fear a cert is in order:

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Mayhew Charles Hartley W 2c 295
Norris Mary Hartley W 2c 295

Jan

1841

MAYHEW, Joseph M 35 1806 Middlesex
MAYHEW, Sarah F 35 1806 Middlesex
MAYHEW, Joseph M 4 1837 Middlesex
MAYHEW, Jane F 2 1839 Middlesex
MAYHEW, - F 0 (3 months) 1841 Middlesex

Piece:
661 Book/Folio:
3/17 Page:
26 Registration District:
St James Clerkenwell

Civil Parish:
St James Clerkenwell Municipal Borough:
Finsbury Address:
Compton Street, St James Clerkenwell, Finsbury County:
Middlesex

(not sure of above, not seeing anything on London Baptisms)

Chris :)

Just throwing this one from the 1851 census into the mix - the Strand is vaguely the right area, mum Sarah is a widow, the family need an income if he is going to be a teacher (mum is running a coffee house), and the mother is from Farnham in Surrey, which is on the Hampshire border, so perhaps there was a family connection to get him from Shoreditch to Hampshire - but this is pure conjecture and the 1864 marriage certificate is definitely needed...

Name: Charles Mayhew
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah Mayhew
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Ann Westr

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 1510
Folio: 217
Page Number: 22

Name Age
Sarah Mayhew 41
Charles Mayhew 10
George Mayhew 9
Maria Mayhew 5
John Mayhew 4
Harriet Little 26

Thanks Jan, Dea, Chris

The 1964 Marriage info was what I had in mind already and now confirmed in part by the 1861 census.

The 1841 census from Chris I now have researched a bit more and feel is probably not the one. Sarah is still in Clerkenwell in 1851 (widowed) and with Joseph(15), Mary(8) and Emma(5). Searching BMD between 1838 and 1851shows births in Clerkenwell of Jane (from the 1841 census), Robert (b1839), Mary Ann (b1841), Emma(1843) and Robert James(1846). Searching deaths show that a Robert died in 1840, Robert James 1846 and Joseph (the husband/father in 1849).

Mary Ann was presumably the 3 month old child in 1841and of couse I believe I am looking for a Charles with a birth registered earlier the same year.

But thanks for the suggestion Chris! :-)

If anyone else is reading this and has any clever ways of searching census records for 1841 or 1851 i would still be interested in finding Charles Mayhew born 1841 St. Pancras, Middlesex.

I will also add Charles and Mary Norris' marriage cert to my next GRO order.

Thanks,

Martyn

Ivy

Thanks for posting while I was composing my reply (I take ages typing at times). That is also a promosing lead.

EDIT: And I must add the birth cert as well!

Martyn

a possible?

Name:Charles Robert Mayhew
Gender:Male
Baptism/Christening Date:03 May 1840
Baptism/Christening Place:SAINT JAMES,PADDINGTON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:10 Apr 1840
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:Jabez Mayhew
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name:
Sarah:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C07903-2
System Origin:England-ODM
Source Film Number:579297

This is the same one on A*stry parish records and the mother's name is Sarah?

Name:Charles Robert Mayhew
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1840
Baptism Date:3 May 1840
Father's Name:Jabez Mayhew
Mother's Name: Sarah Mayhew
Parish or Poor Law Union:Paddington St James
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

*EDIT: address Caroline Place, Bayswater. Jabez is a Coach Maker. Born 10 Apr 1840.

Could this be the next youngest brother George?

Name:George William Mayhew
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1842
Baptism Date:3 Apr 1842
Father's Name:Jabez Mayhew
Mother's Name:Sarah Mayhew
Parish or Poor Law Union:Paddington St James
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers


T x

Thanks T (Tracey?)

I wasn't ignoring your posts just trying to work out if i could trace Sarah Mayhew and her family further.

By 1881 she appears to be Sarah Tyler(Widow) born Farnham living with her son George born 1842 in Soho.

I'm just trying to work out when she married a Tyler though!

Still working on it but thanks for the help and suggestions.

Keeps me out of the wife's hair anyway ;-)

Having looked a bit more at the Charles Mayhew born 1841, St Ann Westminster/Soho he appears to be in the same area in 1861 and 1871, a tinplate worker and married to Elizabeth. This is probably the son of Sarah from Farnham.

I did find Sarah Tyler on the 1861 census and three of her children were with her but their name was transcribes as Mayhan.

Thanks to all, I'm logging off for a bit now so won't be around to reply.

Martyn

Isn't the baptism for this bloke?
Births Jun 1840 Mayhew Charles Roberts Kensington 3 259

I thought this was the bloke the info was needed for.
Births Mar 1841 Mayhew Charles St Pancras 1 342

Ozi

Hi Ozi

Yes I am pretty sure that I am trying to locate the early years and parents of the Charles registered in St Pancras as that appears to always be listed as where he was born in the later census records.

As the other one was registered only a few miles away it was worth looking into just to rule out any possibility that he was the Charles Mayhew I was tracing. At the moment I still have not found him with his parents in 1841 or 1851 but hopefully the birth certificate and marriage certificate can give me some help with parents names.

Thanks for posting :-)