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My guess is Smith is Richard's mid-name.


Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Allars John H Bethnal Green 1c 647
Ching Richard S Bethnal Green 1c 647
McLEAN Jane Bethnal Green 1c 647
Worley Mary A Bethnal Green 1c 647

The local index gives
Result Year Forename Initial Surname Ref Next
1 1866 Richard S CHING /C4 6/410/ Order
2 1866 Jane MCLEAN /C4 6/410/ Order
http://www.thbmd.co.uk/search.php
[but there's no key saying what church is coded as C4]

If you go to:
http://www.mundia.com/us/

(you have to register but it's free).

You can see the trees from there.

Meanwhile I think this is the family in 1881:
1881 census transcription details for: 3, Gainsborough Cotage, Hackney
RG number: RG11 Piece: 318 Folio: 8 Page: 9

Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: South Hackney
PAIN, William Head Married M 37 1844 Labourer
London, London
Middlesex
PAIN, Emma Wife Married F 36 1845
London, London
Middlesex
PAIN, William Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
London, London
Middlesex
PAIN, Edith Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
London, London
Middlesex
PAIN, Sarah Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
London, London
Middlesex
PAIN, Kate Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
London, London
Middlesex
PAYNE, Joseph Son Single M 5 1876
London, London
Middlesex
PAYNE, Louise Daughter Single F 2 1879
London, London
Middlesex
PAYNE, Alice Daughter Single F 0 1881
London, London
Middlesex


Maureen

How do i do that just go onto Ancestory and search trees? If that is the case i can do that i would i have to pay for access to it?

Do you have access to Ancestry? An extensive family tree on there!! - showing the PAYZE family

Two other children born: Albert Ernest Payze 1912 and May Elizabeth Payze born 1914


Lynne

Marriage of William Joseph John Payze:

Name: William Joseph John Payze
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Eliza Joyce
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Mar 1913
Parish: Homerton St Paul
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Christopher Payze
Spouse Father Name: William Joyce
Register Type: Parish Register


Marriage of Christopher Robert Payze
Name: Christopher Robert Payze
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Spouse Name: Winifred Rhoda Gauntlett
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1918
Parish: Bow Common St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Payze
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Gauntlett
Register Type: Parish Register

????

Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Payne William Christopher Marylebone 1a 484

Funny as i looked up Jospeh D payze and found that he may have married a Lillian Took so this may have been a relative or friend of the Chings? how interestting.

Funny as i looked up Jospeh D payze and found that he may have married a Lillian Took so this may have been a relative or friend of the Chings? how interestting.

1881 census for Richard & Jane - it may be possible that they changed their surname - please use with caution:

Name: Richd. Smithching
[Richard Ching]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Smithching
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Upper Arthur St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Black ? Coachman

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 37b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 308
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Richd. Smithching 39
Jane Smithching 40
Eliza Smithching 15
Emily Smithching 13
Elizth. Smithching 9
Boline Smithching 6
Rd. J. Smithching 1

Possible that Richard's middle name was Smith, however the marriage of William and Emma suggests that his middle name was George

Richard & Jane Ching 1891 census:

Name: Richard Ching
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ching
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 318
Folio: 62
Page Number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Ching 49
Jane Ching 51
Orleans Ching 19
Richard Ching 11

Thank you again, much appreciated, will start adding them to my tree xx

Richard George Ching is shown as Emma's father on the marriage cert.

This looks to be William & Emily in 1891 census

Name: William Pazey
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Pazey
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 318
Folio: 62
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
William Pazey 22 occ Glass Blower
Emma Pazey 22 b Whitechapel

Living in the same building are Richard & Jane Ching possibly Emily's parents.... address 4 Davey Rd

EDIT

Think this is right as address given for both on marriage cert is 4 Davy Rd

Possible
London School Admissions:

Name: William Payze
Age: 8
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1868
School: Atley Road School
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Admission Date: Apr 1876
Parent: Wm Payze
Notes: Atley Road School (0173) opened in 1873. Remodelled in 1910. Renamed George Lansbury Primary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV05/ATL/AD/003

wow, thank you all for your kind help. How bizarre that i could not get that 1901 census to show on my search. I am very grateful for all the information you have all supplied for me. It definately looks like the marriage etc are correct very unusual name Ching.. may prove very interesting.

wow, thank you all for your kind help. How bizarre that i could not get that 1901 census to show on my search. I am very grateful for all the information you have all supplied for me. It definately looks like the marriage etc are correct very unusual name Ching.. may prove very interesting.

1911 census:

Name: William C Payze
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 168 Elderfield Road, Clapton Park
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: GLASS BLOWER
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 1091
Household Members: Name Age
William C Payze 42
Emily A Payze 41
William J J Payze 19
Christhopher Payze 17
Edward J Payze 15
Josep D Payze 13
Richard C Payze 10
Emily E Payze 9
George H Payze 6
Violet J Payze 4
Kate E Payze 2
Lilian E Payze 0
Eliza E Payne 22 - Neice (Eliza E Payze)

Death of William Christopher Payze

Name: William C Payze
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 263

Birth of Edward
Name: Edward James Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1896
Father's Name: William Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Birth of Joseph
Name: Joseph David Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1898
Father's Name: William Christopher Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Ann Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Homerton St Paul
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth of Richard
Name: Richard Charles Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1901
Father's Name: William Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Birth of Emily
Name: Emily Eliza Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1902
Father's Name: William Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth of George
Name: George Henry Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
Baptism Date: 15 Dec 1904
Father's Name: William Christopher Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Ann Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth of William Junior

Name: William Joseph John Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1892
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1892
Father's Name: William Christopher Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Ann Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Birth of Christopher

Name: Christopher Robert Payze
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1895
Father's Name: William Christopher Payze
Mother's Name: Emily Payze
Parish or Poor Law Union: Victoria Park St Mark
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers