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Emma

Emma Report 23 Apr 2012 18:14

hi Zombie, it just says he had only one child! Thanks for your help Lynne.

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 23 Apr 2012 15:49

Just a quick update:

Aquarius35 has sent me a copy of the Will, however, I'm having difficulty reading it.

I have been able to make out the Henry Barnard Chalon had an illegitimate son name ******* Barnard Chalon and that also his wife Sarah Chalon is mentioned, but another women as well, Sarah Wilson !!!!

Perhaps if someone else could contact Aquarius35 and ask for a copy of the will, you will have more success than I.

Lynne

littlelegs

littlelegs Report 23 Apr 2012 15:46

hi
when it says his one child does it mean his only child or does it mean his only child that did anything worth mentioning
lorraine

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Apr 2012 08:12

Seems the James Ward R A, mentioned in Death notice of Sarah, was a famous Artist too. Google brings up a lot of bits and pieces.

Chris :)

Emma

Emma Report 22 Apr 2012 21:24

Thanks so much all of you. Yes i have downloaded the will but at the moment i cannot not understand much of it!!! Writing is a bit different from now! Haha. I have seen that Henry had another partner, wife? called Sarah whose surname was Wilson. They i think then had son called Henry too which shows that he must have had other children ( i think!!!) Soooo confusing!!! Thank you all very much just hope i get to work it out soon!

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 22 Apr 2012 21:17

Possibly why one daughter was called Frederica:


(b ?London, 1770; d London, 15 Aug 1849). English painter and lithographer. He was the son of a Dutch ?migr? engraver, Jan Chalon (1749-95). After studying at the Royal Academy Schools, London, the younger Chalon began to specialize in sporting and animal painting and was appointed Animal Painter to Frederica, Duchess of York, in 1795; he later fulfilled the same modest function for both Prince Regent

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 22 Apr 2012 20:57

Been following this with interest.

Chris Ho advised that his Will is on NA site. It really wouldn't harm to purchase it and see if there other children are mentioned.

Wikki entires are submitted, and yes there are errors. Its such a shame that it is the default search result.

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 22 Apr 2012 20:54

You should use caution with Wikipedia, once upon a day any one could change or add information to pages. Don't know whether that is the case now!!!!!

Lynne

Emma

Emma Report 22 Apr 2012 20:50

Just can't seem to go forward on the Henry Barnard Chalon until i know it is definitely the same one. So far all i have is the Henry whose was the artist. Do you think Wikipedia could be wrong? All the children have the same mother who was called Sarah and married to Henry. It's beginning to hurt my head!!! Haha.

jansmith

jansmith Report 22 Apr 2012 20:49

1851



1851 census transcription details for: 32, College, Northfleet

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1609 Folio: 53 Page: 23


Reg. District: North Aylesford Sub District: Northfleet
Parish: Northfleet Enum. District: 1B
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 32, College, Northfleet
County: Kent

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CHALON, Sarah Head Widow F 62 1789
Scotland
CHALON, Henry Bernard Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Secetary Out Of Employ
St Marylebone
London
CRABB, Ruth Servant Unmarried F 15 1836
Colne
Essex

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2012 20:46

Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, February 13, 1860

Chalon- On 7th, of bronchitis, Sarah Chalon, relict of the late Henry Barnard Chalon Esq. and sister of the late James Ward Esq., R A.

Chris :)

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 22 Apr 2012 20:40

Looks like another birth:

Caroline Sarah Jose Chalon 12 Feb 1816 Henry Barnard Chalon,
Sarah Chalon St Marylebone Westminster

jansmith

jansmith Report 22 Apr 2012 20:35

1851 for info

1851 census transcription details for: 3, Lindsey Place, Chelsea

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1472 Folio: 5 Page: 2


Reg. District: Chelsea Sub District: Chelsea South
Parish: Chelsea Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Lindsey Place, Chelsea
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WATSON, Edward C Head Married M 40 1811 Veneer Cutter
St Pancras
Middlesex
WATSON, Frederica Wife Married F 39 1812
St Pancras
Middlesex
WATSON, Annette Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834
Chelsea
Middlesex
WATSON, Rose Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Chelsea
Middlesex
WATSON, Rose Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Chelsea
Middlesex
WATSON, Edward Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Chelsea
Middlesex
WATSON, Emily Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Chelsea
Middlesex
HASLEMON, Patience Servant Unmarried F 24 1827 General Servant
Bethnal Green
Middlesex
PROCTOR, Mary Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 General Servant
Ratcliffe
Middlesex

Vera

Vera Report 22 Apr 2012 20:32

Looks like Chalon to me Maria Ann Chalon

Regards Vera

Emma

Emma Report 22 Apr 2012 20:31

Thank you Chris, will have a look.!!

Emma

Emma Report 22 Apr 2012 20:29

Hey Lynne, thank you very much for looking all this up for me. Can you see why I'm confused? wikipedia says there is only one child but Maria A seems to be the sister of all the others? Also when looking at records on Frederica and Edward's marriage one of the witnesses is a Maria Anne? Can't really read what her surname says though!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Apr 2012 20:26

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/willsdeathduties.asp

(above has a Will, Henry Barnard Chalon 1849. £3.50 to download)

Chris :)

Vera

Vera Report 22 Apr 2012 20:25

Emily Caroline Watson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1844
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1844
Father's Name: Edward Coats Watson
Mother's Name: Frederique Rebecca Watson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


Regards Vera

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 22 Apr 2012 20:23

Wikipedia:
About Henry Bernard Chalon -
His one child, a daughter, was the miniaturist Maria A Chalon (Mrs Henry Moseley, c. 1800–67).

London Baprisms:

Maria Ann Barnard Baptism 27 Sep 1797 St Pancras Old Church, Middlesex Henry Barnard,Sarah Chalon


Charlotte Mary Ann Chalon Baptism 22 Mar 1812 St Marylebone, Middlesex Henry Barnard Chalon, Sarah Chalon
Emma Elizth Chalon Baptism 18 Jan 1806 St Marylebone, Middlesex Henry Barnard Chalon, Sarah Chalon
Frederica Rebecca Chalon Baptism 18 Jan 1806 St Marylebone, Middlesex Henry Bernard Chalon, Sarah Chalon
Thomas Barnard Chalon Baptism 24 Aug 1800 St Pancras Old Church, Middlesex Henry Barnard Chalon, Sarah Chalon

Emma

Emma Report 22 Apr 2012 20:14

Not really i am working from my great great great grandmother who was Emily Caroline Watson. It says her mother was Frederica Rebecca Watson whose maiden name was Chalon. (she married Edward Coats Watson in 1831.) It says Frederica's father is Henry Barnard Chalon but i'm just not sure if it's the artist or not? Hope this is making sense!! Thankyou for looking.