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i have totally it a brick wall so looking for help my grandfather charles woods born liverpool 1890 died liverpool 1951 i have his marriage lines stating his father was edward woods yet his army records list his father as charles and his mother phoebe in the 1911 census it gives brother james but says 2nd child has died yet i know charles died in 1951 also his death certificate lists a brother e woods there are so many woods families in liverpool i have charles birth cert says his mother is phoebe ewart but these searches leave me more confused i have found a euphemia and possibly its alternative name to phoebe but how do i link these can anyone come to my rescue i seem to be going round in circles ty :-S

Needed to throw a few full stops in so as to make sense of it.
Hope they're in the right places ....



charles woods born liverpool 1890 died liverpool 1951 .
i have his marriage lines stating his father was edward woods yet his army records list his father as charles and his mother phoebe.

in the 1911 census it gives brother james but says 2nd child has died yet i know charles died in 1951.
also his death certificate lists a brother e woods.

there are so many woods families in liverpool.
i have charles birth cert says his mother is phoebe ewart but these searches leave me more confused.
i have found a euphemia and possibly its alternative name to phoebe but how do i link these

Hi Mary, I just noticed you are new to the boards.....welcome



Posting this for the mohers full name


Marriages Dec 1887
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EWART Euphemia Liverpool 8b 185 <<<<<<<<<<
Green James Liverpool 8b 185
Hodgson Sarah Liverpool 8b 185
WOODS Edward Liverpool 8b 185 <<<<<<

:-D

Never known Phoebe be used for Euphemia but possible

Marriages Dec 1887

EWART Euphemia - Liverpool 8b 185
Green James Liverpool 8b 185
Hodgson Sarah Liverpool 8b 185
WOODS Edward - Liverpool 8b 185

Have you found the family in 1891 census?

1891??

1891 England Census
about Euphemia Woods
Name: Euphemia Woods
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2954
Folio: 96
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
James Woods 26
Ann Woods 23
Charles Woods 6
George Woods 2
Euphemia Woods 25
Elizabeth A Woods 2
Thomas Woods 11/12


Andy

This looks like the E Woods you mention


Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Woods
Name: Edward Woods
Birth Date: 21 Aug 1896
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1896
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Edward Woods
Mother's Name: Phoebe Woods

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Elizabeth Ann Woods
Name: Elizabeth Ann Woods
Birth Date: 16 Jun
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1888
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Edward Woods
Mother's Name: Phoebe Woods

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Woods
Name: Thomas Woods
Birth Date: 10 Apr
Baptism Date: 5 May 1890
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Edward Woods
Mother's Name: Phoebe Woods

Can't see any entry for Phoebe Ewart on freebmd so maybe that was Euphemia's nickname

but Thomas aged 11months in 1901, is same age as your Charles .

Not sure what you mean by 1911 giving 2nd child died. It doesn't usually say WHICH child died, simply the number of children who had died

There is no baptisim for Charles Woods but one for the same period for a Thomas Woods

Are they the same person?


Edit

Is this the Charles you mean, not born in 1890


Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Woods Charles Liverpool 8b 114

Please can you give all the info from the birth cert you have.

Exact date of birth ,
Address etc


Gins, that's exactly the birth I keep wondering about

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Charles Woods
Name: Charles Woods
Birth Year: abt 1892 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 28
Marriage Date: 31 Jan 1920
Parish: Toxteth St Clement
Spouse's Name: Mary Tomlinson
Father's Name: Edward Woods
Spouse Father's Name: William James Tomlinson



Cant find Elizabeth Ann Woods after her baptisim? Edit: Sorry I see Andy has her 1891 but where she is after that?

The 1911 says that the marriage is 20 years but the marriage shown is 1887 which would be at least 23 + years-j

Janet

How many men know how many years they have been married ;-)


Mary

Can you confirm that Charles was born 1893 and not 1890?

Also what happened to Elizabeth and Edward?

his death certif says he died in 1951 aged 61 so his birt is 1890
sorry i have taken so long to post and thank u all for the input

Gins-re the man's knowledge of his marriage

taken from the 1911census.org.uk

New information in the 1911 census was concerned with the family, that is the questions that had to be answered by married women on how long they had been married and how many children there were from the marriage. -j

i have since found elizabeth ann in the workhouse epileptic hospital in 1901 census in dingle mount liverpool still baffled and confused :)

If you are looking for links to demonstrate that the Euphemia Ewart who married Edward Woods in 1887 could also be known as Phoebe, then your finding on the 1881 census, together with the 1871 census entry for the same family looks helpful.

Compare:

1871
Name: Euphemia Ewart
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Ewart
Mother's Name: Eliza Ewart
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Deansgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 94
Piece: 4036
Folio: 104
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Fletcher 55
William Fletcher 18
John Ewart 26 (picture frame maker, born Scotland)
Eliza Ewart 25 (born Liverpool)
Euphemia Ewart 5
John Ewart 60

with

1881 in Liverpool:

John Ewart abt 1843 Scotland Head Picture frame maker
Elizabeth Ewart abt 1847 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife
Phoebe Ewart abt 1866 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter
Elizabeth Ewart abt 1868 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter
Florence Ewart abt 1872 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter
Thomas Ewart abt 1876 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son
James Ewart abt 1879 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son

I wonder if the statement on the 1911 census (total children born alive 2, I still living, I died) would make sense if they had counted those "children" still alive (just James not yet an adult) plus the one who died (perhaps Elizabeth Ann or Thomas?)