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5 Jun 2012 11:50 |
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I am trying to find out some further details about my Great Grandfather Edwin, his second partner Annie HARRIS and his father also believed to be Edwin.
Edwin MERRIFIELD would have been born in Bow according to most sources in either 1855 or 1856 and was married the first time to Elizabeth HARRISON (nee KELLY) in Stepney on 11th August 1878. With Elizabeth he had 5 children (William Edward 'Edward', Edward 'Edwin', Robert Thomas, Elizabeth Julia and Albert). She died 7th October 1892 and their might have been another son 'Willi' born around the same time but I cannot find any record of this.
Edwin then had another few children (Ernest 'my Grandfather', Agnes Maud 'Maud', Mabel, Charles Edwin and Florence Annie 'Floss') with their mother being recorded as Annie MERRIFIELD nee HARRIS but I cannot find any record of any marriage to confirm this. She has declared herself as being born in Hollowat in 1874 and I've tried to find a record of this birth but to no avail.
Edwin's father at his marriage to Elizabeth is also recorded as being an Edwin but I cannot find any record of him other than that. At the time of their marriage, Edwin and Elizabeth were both living at 52, Hardinge Street, Stepney.
If anyone has any information on any of the above but especially the main 3 I am trying to find I would appreciate hearing from you. I have made contact with some relatives over the last year but as yet they have not been able to move my research on at all.
Thank you - David E. MERRIFIELD
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5 Jun 2012 12:11 |
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This is the nearest birth I can see:
Births Mar 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Merrifield Edwin Williams Mile End 1c 571
And, can't see him in 1861, but is recorded in 1871 Mile End Old Town Industrial School
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trailertrash
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5 Jun 2012 12:15 |
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Have you tried variations on spellings. Edwin Merfield died 1855 Shoredtich and on 1901 census Edwin Merifield in middx. Not to mention Merrefield.
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5 Jun 2012 12:15 |
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Actually, looking at the middle name of Williams this could be him in 1861:
WILLIAMS, Mary Head Widow F 70 1791 Halfpay Pensioner Deptford, Kent VIEW MERRYFIELD, Helen Daughter Married F 29 1832 Sempstress Plymouth, Devon VIEW WILLIAMS, Edwin Grandson M 3 1858 <<<<< Stepney, Middlesex VIEW Piece: 297 Folio: 4 Page: 9 Registration District: Mile End Old Town Civil Parish: Stepney Municipal Borough: Address: 21, Edward Street, Stepney County: London
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5 Jun 2012 12:48 |
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Looks like Annie in 1911 - but can't see a marriage for them - wonder if she was already married so wasn't free to marry Edwin??
MERRIFIELD, Annie Head Widow F 38 1873 Holloway London VIEW MERRIFIELD, Ernest Son Single M 17 1894 Wedger At Pottery Enfield VIEW MERRFIELD, Maud Daughter Single F 15 1896 Sweet Maker Enfield VIEW MERRIFIELD, Charlie Son M 11 1900 School Tottenham VIEW MERRIFIELD, Florrie Daughter F 9 1902 Edmonton VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 7356 Reference: RG14PN7356 RG78PN357 RD132 SD5 ED6 SN360 Registration District: Edmonton Sub District: Edmonton Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Edmonton Address: 36 Linton Road Upper Edmonton County: Middlesex
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David
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5 Jun 2012 13:16 |
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Flip,
Thank you for your suggestion. I have come across this birth during my enquiries but dismissed it for a couple of reasons a) the birth is in Mile End and all records I have seen for Edwin state he was born in Bow - I know these are very close but are different and I have never seen anything that has said he was born in Mile End and b) this is a birth in 1858 which would mean that the age given in a census would be 2 to 3 years out - again I know that this cannot be ruled out but together with the Mile End bit I haven't seriously considered this birth as being the one I'm looking for.
I will look at this again though.
David M
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David
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5 Jun 2012 13:22 |
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Dear Trailertrash,
Yes I have considered variations in spelling as I know the literacy level in obtaining correct spellings of surnames wasn't great back in the 19th century but this then brings me loads of possible Edwins but none with the year and place of birth I am looking for.
Thank you,
David M
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David
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5 Jun 2012 13:29 |
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Flip,
Thanks again for your responses.
I'm certain that the census you have found in 1861 is the same Edwin Williams Merrifield born in Mile End but again I'm not finding it possible to make the leap of faith and say that he is the Edwin Merrifield I'm looking for.
The 1911 census however is Annie just 2 years after Edwin died. I haven't got access to the 1911 census myself so this information is appreciated.
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David M
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5 Jun 2012 13:32 |
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One thing to consider, if the Edwin I've posted is yours he may not have actually known exactly where he was born nor his correct dob. He is at an Industrial school in 1871 so may not have known/remembered his parents - don't know if the admission records are on line, but they could be worth checking.
Added: a google search for Mile End Ind School shows a bit of info, including there is a ledger of all admissions held at London Metropolitan Archives - gives a lot of information on all inmates.
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LadyKira
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5 Jun 2012 13:37 |
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baptisms for 3 of the children. You may already have them but it helps to post to get a feel of the family story.
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Elizabeth Julia Maryfeld Name: Elizabeth Julia Maryfeld [Elizabeth Julia Merryfield] Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884 Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1884 Father's Name: Edwin Maryfeld Mother's name: Elizabeth Maryfeld Parish or Poor Law Union: Lower Edmonton St Mary the Virgin Borough: Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers 81 Bickenham? Road
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Albert Merrifield Name: Charles Albert Merrifield Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887 Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1887 Father's Name: Edwin Merrifield Mother's name: Elizabeth Merrifield Parish or Poor Law Union: Lower Edmonton St Mary the Virgin Borough: Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Merrifield Name: Charles Merrifield Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889 Baptism Date: 23 Jan 1889 Father's Name: Edwin Merrifield Mother's name: Elizabeth Merrifield Parish or Poor Law Union: Lower Edmonton St Mary the Virgin Borough: Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers
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LadyKira
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5 Jun 2012 13:46 |
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edwin Merryfeld Name: Edwin Merryfeld [Edwin Merryfield] Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884 Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1884 Father's Name: Edwin Merryfeld Mother's Name: Elizabeth Merryfeld Parish or Poor Law Union: Lower Edmonton St Mary the Virgin Borough: Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers Brettingham? Road father is a labourer
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Robert Thomas Merryfeld Name: Robert Thomas Merryfeld [Robert Thomas Merryfield] Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884 Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1884 Father's Name: Edwin Merryfeld Mother's name: Elizabeth Merryfeld Parish or Poor Law Union: Lower Edmonton St Mary the Virgin Borough: Enfield Register Type: Parish Registers
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William James Merryfield Name: William James Merryfield Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879 Baptism Date: 2 Jul 1879 Father's Name: Edwin Merryfield Mother's name: Elizabeth Merryfield Parish or Poor Law Union: Christ Church, Watney Street Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers 52 Hardinge St born 28 march 1879
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5 Jun 2012 13:57 |
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1891 Address: 1, Albert Cottages, Jeremys Green Lane, Edmonton MERRIFIELD, Edwin Head Married M 36 1855 General Labourer Bow, London MERRIFIELD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1853 London MERRIFIELD, William E Son M 12 1879 Shadwell, London MERRIFIELD, Edwin Son M 10 1881 Shadwell, London MERRIFIELD, Robert T Son M 8 1883 Edmonton, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Elizabeth J Daughter F 6 1885 Edmonton, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Albert Son M 4 1887 Edmonton, Middlesex
1901 Address: 17, Gilpin Crese, Edmonton MERRIFIELD, Edwin Head Married M 46 1855 General Labourer Bow, London MERRIFIELD, Annie Wife Married F 27 1874 Holloway, London MERRIFIELD, Edward Son Single M 21 1880 General LabourerMile End, London MERRIFIELD, Robert Son Single M 18 1883 General LabourerMile End, London MERRIFIELD, Lizzie Daughter Single F 16 1885 Sweet Stuff Maker Edmonton, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Ernest Son M 7 1894 Enfield, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Willie Son M 9 1892 Enfield, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Maud Daughter F 5 1896 Enfield, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Mabel Daughter F 3 1898 Tottenham, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Charles Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Tottenham, Middlesex SALTMARSH, Florence Boarder Single F 19 1882 Edmonton, Middlesex RICHARDS, Alice Boarder Single F 22 1879 Sweet Stuff MakerCity Road, London
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5 Jun 2012 14:05 |
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1881 Address: 52, Harding St, St George In The East MERRIFIELD, Edwin Head Married M 26 1855 Light Porter Stepney, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1852 Needlewoman Shadwell, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Edward Son Single M 2 1879 Stepney, Middlesex MERRIFIELD, Edwin Son Single M 0 1881 Stepney, Middlesex
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5 Jun 2012 14:19 |
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This one is worth a look as sister is Julia.
1861 census Address: 4, Coleman Street, Islington MERRYFIELD, Maria Head Married F 44 1817 Stratham, Surrey MERRYFIELD, Julia Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Islington, Middlesex MERRYFIELD, Edward Son Unmarried M 7 1854 Islington, Middlesex
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David
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5 Jun 2012 14:50 |
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Flip,
Yes I agree with what you say and suppose I shouldn't be too strict in discounting him as my Edwin. I will try and get on-line to look at what records I can but not sure if you would know much about these sort of kids from your own research or not.
On the 1871 census he would have been aged between 13 and 16 and recorded his place of birth as Mile End. On the 1881 census he says his place of birth is Stepney and on the 1891 and 1901 census he puts his place of birth as Bow. Is it likely that he would want to change his place of birth so he wasn't associated with the school?
I have been to the Metroplolitan Archives a few years ago so may try to get there again.
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David M
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David
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5 Jun 2012 15:15 |
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Dear Lady Kira,
Thanks for your responses.
The baptisms are interesting and just wondered if this is a site that I can look at / interrogate without registration or payment?
Can you advise if there is a web address please?
Regards,
David M
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5 Jun 2012 15:23 |
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I don't think the records are available on-line, but there is quite a bit of information regarding the workhouse/industrial school. I think most of the inmates were just poor or orphans, but children were split away from the adults. According to another site, someone else researching the workhouse had viewed the ledgers and they contained a lot of detail on why the person was there, their parents if known and medical condition. I think it would be easy to get ages wrong, physical development depended a lot on diet and many of the children would be mal-nourished.
Just had another look and there is also an Ellen Merryfield at the workhouse, born c1828 "at sea" - she may be the Helen from the 1861 census posted earlier. If you do decide to follow up at the archives it would be worth keeping an eye open for her admission as well.
Edit - I'm talking about the workhouse records when I say they are not available online, not the records LK has posted.
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5 Jun 2012 15:27 |
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Hi LK, did you manage to follow that Edward from the 1861 census to a later census, it certainly looks like another possibility.
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5 Jun 2012 15:54 |
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1871 census Address: Wyndham St, Marylebone MERRIFIELD, Edward M 19 1852 Middlesex
He was a leather seller.
He is not on any other census.
If there are 2 of them you may need to track them both before deciding which one is yours,
The census records were from FindMyPast and the baptisms were from Ancestry London baptisms. It is possible to join on a free trial basis. I did not find a marriage to Annie and nor did I find baptisms for her children,
Your Edwin has both Edwin and Edward in 1881.
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5 Jun 2012 16:23 |
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Julia was the child of William and Maria. so probably not yours but hold for now.
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Julia Merrifield Name: Julia Merrifield Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1847 Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1847 Father's Name: William Merrifield Mother's name: Maria Merrifield Parish or Poor Law Union: Streatham St Leonard Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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