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Im trying to find:

Henry or Henrey Gilbert born c.1788 Kent
Esther Wife born ?

So if anybody can pick them up on an early census I'd be very grateful.

Found this in the 1841 census ?????????????

GILBERT, Esther F 46 1795 Kent
GILBERT, Esther F 25 1816 Kent
GILBERT, Alice F 22 1819 Kent
GILBERT, Mary F 20 1821 Kent
GILBERT, Sarah F 17 1824 Kent
GILBERT, Rachel F 15 1826 Kent

Piece: 482
Book/Folio: 12/25
Page: 4
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Erith
Municipal Borough:
Address: Herringhill, Erith, Sutton At Hone
County: Kent

Do you know the names of their children?? If so, do they match?

Could Henry have died?

1851 census ???????

GILBERT, Ester Head Widow F 69 1782 Farmer Of 12 Oer Erith, Kent
GILBERT, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 29 1822 Erith, Kent

Piece: 1607
Folio: 236
Page: 5
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Erith
Municipal Borough:
Address: Letteren Bottle, Erith
County: Kent

That is the only Esther Gilbert born 1788, +/- 10 years that comes up on FindMyPast.

????

Groom's Name: Henry Gilbert
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Esther Hills
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1808
Marriage Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02217-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992454
Reference Number: yr 1755-1809

Could this be their marriage????

groom's name: Henry Gilbert
bride's name: Esther Hills
marriage date: 03 Jul 1808
marriage place: Bexley, Kent, England
indexing project (batch) number: I02086-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 395079

Henry's burial?

Surname:Gilbert
Forenames:Henry
Burial Year:1818
Burial Month:Dec
Burial Day:22
Age at Death:31
Where From:Erith
Place Buried:Erith
County:Kent
Source:St.Johns Erith 1813-1845 burials

????

Name: Esther Hills
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Feb 1785
Baptism/Christening Place: BEXLEY,KENT,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Hills
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13092-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0992672, 0992454
Reference Number:

Thanks Lynski, yes I do have the chjildren and your data is spot on.
It does look very much like Henry died aged 31 poor guy. Thanks to Adeline for that and thanks to safc as well. We do have some brilliant people on here!

But if this is daughter Esther/Hester mother's maiden name is given as Hester Wooding:

GILBERT, Hester Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Nov 1816 Recorded in: Erith, Kent, England
Father: Henry GILBERT
Mother: Hester WOODING
Source: FHL Film 1469340 Dates: 1813 - 1829

So who would be the father of these if Henry was buried in 1818?

GILBERT, Mary F 20 1821 Kent
GILBERT, Sarah F 17 1824 Kent
GILBERT, Rachel F 15 1826 Kent

Another But. On the 1851 census Esther has a daughter Mary born 1822 but didn't Henry die 1818? (Hope that's when he died cause that's when they buried him!)

Name: Mary Gilbert
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1818
Baptism/Christening Place: ERITH, BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS, KENT, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Gilbert
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hester
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02057-4
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1469340
Reference Number: - 2:2FHMMBG


Not seeing anything for Sarah or Rachel at the moment.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1299694

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1299245

Thanks for additional observations.

My origional data was limited to:

Henry 1788 -m- Esther unknown

Henry 1810 William 1813 Sarah 1815 Hester 1816 Mary 1818

This would fit with Henry deceased in 1818
but other dates given in the 1841 census would be wrong. Looking into this at the moment. It could just be transcription handwriting error.
Henry and William were very likely to have left home by 1841. The girls names could not be coincidence. Mary 1818 would just fit into the pattern. Mary 1821 would not. I'm still musing, could 1818 be mistaken as 1821 in any scrawl?

The census records give ages not year of birth (that is calculated from the age stated on the census). The actual image of that census is quite clear and the handwriting easily read.

If you haven't found Henry (Senior) on a census, can I ask please how you have a year of birth for him please?

Had you put this request on one of your other threads about the same family, we would have had an idea of the limitations of your data and there would have been no need to look for information already found.

If you haven't found Henry (Junior) on a census record with his mother, how do you know that his mother's name was Esther please?

Groom's Name: John Chapman
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Esther Woodin Gilbert
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 24 Mar 1822
Marriage Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02217-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992454
Reference Number: yr 1809-1826

1851

Name: Esther Chapman
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Chapman
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bexley, Kent, England

Civil parish: Erith
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 1607
Folio: 222
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
John Chapman 75 Ag. Lab, b. Northamptonshire
Esther Chapman 65

1841:

John and Esther Chapman in Erith and listed under them:

Henry Gilbert 25
Ann Gilbert 25
and children William, John, Mary and Henry