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rootgatherer,

Henry's name comes from a family bible. The entry is barely legible and reads Henry Gilbert 188? Lessness Heath.
Esther's name comes from church baptism records for Henry junior in December 1810.

Thanks Adeline, you have picked up on Henry Gilbert 1810 and his wife Ann Brooks 1817 together with there four children. They went on to have a further four children prior to 1851 (just in case anybody pops up again and tells me that I'm not giving all of the relevant data).

Rootgatherer, Henry senior's name comes from a family bible, the name is written as Henery and the dob is almost illegable. 188?
As for Esther the data is even less definate. Henry 1810 "was baptised on 25 December 1810, the son of Henry and Esther".

Just a reminder that as well as the ages being rounded down relationships where not recorded on the 1841 census so to assume that all in that household with the same surname where siblings, son's and daughters or even husband and wife could be wrong

Roy

1841:

John and Esther Chapman in Erith and listed under them:

Henry Gilbert 25
Ann Gilbert 25
and children William, John, Mary and Henry

1851

Name: Esther Chapman
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Chapman
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bexley, Kent, England

Civil parish: Erith
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 1607
Folio: 222
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
John Chapman 75 Ag. Lab, b. Northamptonshire
Esther Chapman 65

Groom's Name: John Chapman
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Esther Woodin Gilbert
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 24 Mar 1822
Marriage Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02217-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992454
Reference Number: yr 1809-1826

The census records give ages not year of birth (that is calculated from the age stated on the census). The actual image of that census is quite clear and the handwriting easily read.

If you haven't found Henry (Senior) on a census, can I ask please how you have a year of birth for him please?

Had you put this request on one of your other threads about the same family, we would have had an idea of the limitations of your data and there would have been no need to look for information already found.

If you haven't found Henry (Junior) on a census record with his mother, how do you know that his mother's name was Esther please?

Thanks for additional observations.

My origional data was limited to:

Henry 1788 -m- Esther unknown

Henry 1810 William 1813 Sarah 1815 Hester 1816 Mary 1818

This would fit with Henry deceased in 1818
but other dates given in the 1841 census would be wrong. Looking into this at the moment. It could just be transcription handwriting error.
Henry and William were very likely to have left home by 1841. The girls names could not be coincidence. Mary 1818 would just fit into the pattern. Mary 1821 would not. I'm still musing, could 1818 be mistaken as 1821 in any scrawl?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1299694

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1299245

Name: Mary Gilbert
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1818
Baptism/Christening Place: ERITH, BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS, KENT, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Gilbert
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hester
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02057-4
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1469340
Reference Number: - 2:2FHMMBG


Not seeing anything for Sarah or Rachel at the moment.

Another But. On the 1851 census Esther has a daughter Mary born 1822 but didn't Henry die 1818? (Hope that's when he died cause that's when they buried him!)

So who would be the father of these if Henry was buried in 1818?

GILBERT, Mary F 20 1821 Kent
GILBERT, Sarah F 17 1824 Kent
GILBERT, Rachel F 15 1826 Kent

But if this is daughter Esther/Hester mother's maiden name is given as Hester Wooding:

GILBERT, Hester Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Nov 1816 Recorded in: Erith, Kent, England
Father: Henry GILBERT
Mother: Hester WOODING
Source: FHL Film 1469340 Dates: 1813 - 1829

Thanks Lynski, yes I do have the chjildren and your data is spot on.
It does look very much like Henry died aged 31 poor guy. Thanks to Adeline for that and thanks to safc as well. We do have some brilliant people on here!

????

Name: Esther Hills
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Feb 1785
Baptism/Christening Place: BEXLEY,KENT,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Hills
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13092-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0992672, 0992454
Reference Number:

Henry's burial?

Surname:Gilbert
Forenames:Henry
Burial Year:1818
Burial Month:Dec
Burial Day:22
Age at Death:31
Where From:Erith
Place Buried:Erith
County:Kent
Source:St.Johns Erith 1813-1845 burials

Could this be their marriage????

groom's name: Henry Gilbert
bride's name: Esther Hills
marriage date: 03 Jul 1808
marriage place: Bexley, Kent, England
indexing project (batch) number: I02086-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 395079

????

Groom's Name: Henry Gilbert
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Esther Hills
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1808
Marriage Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02217-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992454
Reference Number: yr 1755-1809

That is the only Esther Gilbert born 1788, +/- 10 years that comes up on FindMyPast.

1851 census ???????

GILBERT, Ester Head Widow F 69 1782 Farmer Of 12 Oer Erith, Kent
GILBERT, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 29 1822 Erith, Kent

Piece: 1607
Folio: 236
Page: 5
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Erith
Municipal Borough:
Address: Letteren Bottle, Erith
County: Kent