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Jeremy
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12 Jul 2012 13:17 |
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Well i'll leave it there for now and try to update the tree. Thank you for all your help and if there is an outstanding inheritance (i wish) then i'll take you all out for dinner! Perhaps i own NatWest bank , who knows.
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12 Jul 2012 13:13 |
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No, its a different Julius, unless he married two people!
The 1861 Census is provided in association with: 1861 England Census Name: Seigfried Simon Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Julianna Simon Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East ED, institution, or vessel: 8g Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 233 Piece: 249 Folio: 25 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Seigfried Simon 44 Julianna Simon 44 Louisa P Simon 17 Jane Burch 19 No Julius showing?
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12 Jul 2012 13:10 |
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you are probably right , 2 Julius' , that saves his dignity i guess !
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12 Jul 2012 13:01 |
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mmm interesting looks like the first wife Maria Ann Snapsworth died either from child birth or was knocked off when Eliza turned up with the money :-S
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12 Jul 2012 12:56 |
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Must be a different Julius
1861 England Census Name: Maria Ann Simon Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Julius Simon Gender: Female Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East ED, institution, or vessel: 8g Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 200 Piece: 249 Folio: 23 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Julius Simon 22 Maria Ann Simon 21 Louisa Maria Simon 4 Months Susan Block 20 Her father is a couple of doors away
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: Julius Simon Probate Date: 29 Jan 1912 Death Date: 7 Jan 1912 Death Place: Essex, England Registry: London, England
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12 Jul 2012 12:47 |
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And then this one!
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Maria Ann Sapsworth Spouse Name: Julius Carr <<<Shoe manufacturer Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 19 Aug 1860 Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem Borough: Hackney Father Name: William Sapsworth <<Foreman in the London Docks Register Type: Parish Register Same wit: Thos John ? and Mary Evans
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12 Jul 2012 12:43 |
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Hang on a minute.......Julius was married before by the looks lof things
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Maria Ann Sapsworth Spouse Name: Julius Simon <<Shoe Manufacturer Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Oct 1859 Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem Borough: Hackney Father Name: William Sapsworth <<Foreman in the London docks Spouse Father Name: Siegfield Simon <<<Leather Seller Register Type: Parish Register
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12 Jul 2012 12:15 |
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Thought you might want to know the worth of the father-in-law's estate.
Current data is only available till 2010. In 2010, £70000 0s 0d from 1864 is worth
£5,370,000.00 using the retail price index
£41,600,000.00 using average earnings
And using the same calculator for Julius's estate.
In 2010, £56875 6s 5d from 1906 is worth:
£4,770,000.00 using the retail price index
£19,200,000.00 using average earnings
http://www.measuringworth.com/ppoweruk/
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12 Jul 2012 12:07 |
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Very interesting Rootgatherer ! I was trying to do the same calculation! :-D
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12 Jul 2012 11:57 |
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The amount that Julius left in 1906 would be worth £5,445,212.50 So his father-in-law's £70,000 in 1864 would make him extremely wealthy!!
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Gee
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12 Jul 2012 11:26 |
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Her fathers probate record
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: Joseph Isaac Leon Probate Date: 27 Sep 1864 Death Date: 3 Sep 1864 Death Place: Middlesex, England Registry: Principal Registry To Sarah (widow) & Edward Micholls Leon (son) £70.000
1861 England Census Name: Joseph J Leon <<Retired Merchant Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Leon Gender: Male Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 105 Piece: 7 Folio: 17 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Joseph J Leon 66 Sarah Leon 58 Edward M Leon 26 Horatio S Leon 25 Philip L Leon 23 Emily R Leon 20 Richard Cook 30 Elizabeth Perkins 28 Ellen Shaddock 28 Bridget McDermot 19 Minnie Rasbury 27
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12 Jul 2012 11:20 |
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1851 England Census about Elizabeth Leon Name: Elizabeth Leon Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Joseph Isaac Leon Mother's name: Sarah Leon Gender: F (Female) Where born: G Bloomby, Middlesex, England [St George, Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England] Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Piece: 1467 Folio: 20 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Isaac Leon 56 Sarah Leon 48 Elizabeth Leon 17 Emily Leon 10 Ellen L Baker 22 Edwin Loiner 30 Sarah Smith 29 Eliza Lomison 36 Elliner Hogase 40 1841 England Census about Eliza Leon Name: Eliza Leon Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St George Bloomsbury Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Giles in the Fields Sub-registration district: St George Bloomsbury Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 672 Book: 5 Folio: 12 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Leon 47 Sarah Leon 38 Eliza Leon 8 Edward Leon 6 Horatio Leon 5 Philip Leon 4 Emily Leon 1
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12 Jul 2012 11:11 |
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 Name: Eliza Simon Probate Date: 3 Sep 1889 Death Date: 3 Jun 1889 Death Place: Middlesex, England Registry: Principal Registry Wife of Julius £584 11s 9d. Late of 38 Princes Square, Bayswater
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12 Jul 2012 11:08 |
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Did you see how much he left in his will........looks like owned the NatWest!
Have you got his parents names?
The names on the probate record are the executors, you can send for a copy of the will from the probate office - cost £6.00incl
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Jeremy
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12 Jul 2012 11:01 |
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Managing director Nat West Bank from then? seems like a big roller !
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12 Jul 2012 10:38 |
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1881
Name: Julius Simon Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Simon Gender: Male Where born: Hanover Elle British Subject Civil parish: Paddington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 38 Princes Square Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Bank Manager Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 28b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 21 Folio: 117 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Julius Simon 50 Eliza Simon 47 Beatrice J. Simon 20 Constance E. Simon 18 Marguerite B. Simon 15 Horace F. Simon 11 Ellen M. Simon 10 Louisa Hilder 36 Elizabeth Bachr 46 Kati T. Roche 25 Emma Paul 22 Annie W. Paul 19 1891
Name: Julius Simon Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Hannover Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Bank Managing Director
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Paddington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 17 Folio: 85 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Julius Simon 60 Edgar L Simon 26 Margarite Simon 25 Julian H Simon 24 Horace F Simon 24 Helen M Simon 20 Mary L Rayment 35 Clara Bullock 23 Amy M Slight 23 Ada E Squire 23 Gertrude L Johnson 19 Not seeing him on any census before 1861
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12 Jul 2012 10:35 |
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Name: Julius Simon Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Simon Gender: Male Where born: Han, India <<< Hanover, British Subject on actual image Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 27b Household schedule number: 29 Piece: 28 Folio: 7 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Julius Simon 40 Merchant Eliza Simon 37 Beatrice J Simon 10 Constance E Simon 8 Edgar L Simon 6 Marguerite B Simon 5 Julian H Simon 4 Horace F Simon 1 Ellen M Simon 1 Month Anne E Wellhan 39 Servant Frances Mabbott 21 Servant Miria Minard 22 servant Hannah S Neagle 28 servant Mary Landen 31 servant Emma Bulter 56 servant
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12 Jul 2012 10:30 |
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Name: Julius Simon Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Simon Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Commercial Clerk
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 87 Piece: 2 Folio: 37 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Julius Simon 30 Eliza Simon 27 Beatrice Johanna Simon 3 Months Alice Watson 22 Ellen Neville 24 Emily Currey 18
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Jeremy
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12 Jul 2012 10:17 |
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Eliza was his wife, (b1833-d1889) not as i put up above by mistake, oops.
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Jeremy
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12 Jul 2012 10:15 |
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Gins,
I have he married Eliza Leon (b1803-d1877) , Eliza's parents were Joseph Leon and Sarah Lucas. i am guessing with the Manchester area.
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