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I am looking for ancestors of
Martha Annie Roberts b 1873 Chorlton (Father Edward)

Martha had 3 living children and maybe 1 dec. (according to 1911 census)
John Roberts Egan b 1894
Frank Roberts Egan b 1896 (aka Frank Molloy)
Ernest Molloy b 1902 (my Husband's Grandfather)
All were born in Manchester.

I can find no marriage to any Egan, although my Father IL remembers his uncle John going by that surname.

Martha Married Edward Molloy in 1898 ( 2 yrs after eldest 2 sons birth). the only record I have of Edward is their Marriage cert, which gives his occupation as a Bootmaker, and his Fathers name as Thomas (dec)
in 1911 Census Martha is recoreded as a Widow.
Martha Married Ernest E Ryder in 1914
Her Death was in 1937 and was living at 7 Hawthorne Grove Ardwick, which corresponds with Ernest's address on his marriage cert.
I am having trouble locating info on her spouses and when/where they died.
I know Frank married Dorothy Podmore aka Dolly in 1919
and Ernest wed Barbara Alcorn in 1929
I am still pretty new at this and this is my 1st post.
Many thanks
Julie

You have put you are looking for ancestors, and then mention children.
Are you looking for both?
Have you got her in 1881, 1891, 1901 censuses?
Thanks

Well Julie - for your 'first post' it is pretty good! - Lots of clear information for us to work on. :-D

Welcome to the boards!

I will take a look and see if I can find anything.

Dea x

Hi Julie and welcome to the boards.

There is this marriage............but if Martha had already married Edward Molloy....

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
EGAN John William Ashby Z. 7a 265
ROBERTS Martha Ashby Z. 7a 265

Just posting 1911, for ref:
1911 England Census
Martha Annie Molloy Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: North Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address: 8 Mitton St Stanley Grove Longsight M/c
Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Prestwich Registration District Number: 467 Sub-registration district: Bradford ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Piece: 24313
Joseph Aldcroft 37
Martha Annie Molloy 38
John Molloy 17
Ernest Molloy 8
Frank Molloy 15
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 24313.

This is her marriage in 1914 (LancsBMD site) - It shows both her maiden name and her first married name:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1914
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

RYDER * Ernest Edward MOLLOY Martha Annie Longsight, St. John Manchester 80/5/11
RYDER * Ernest Edward ROBERTS Martha Annie Longsight, St. John Manchester 80/5/11

Dea x

She did not marry as Egan:
Marriages Dec 1898
Molloy Edward Chorlton 8c 1384
ROBERTS Martha Annie Chorlton 8c 1384

Also, if children called Roberts Egan then probably illegitimate.

Hi Patchem, I will take what I can get ..lol
I thought if I put everything I have at present someone might see what I am missing.
I am also waiting on a birth cert for Martha and a Marriage cert for her marriage to Ernest, as I live in Australia i'm hoping to have them by the end of the month.
Edward Molloy is a hard one as I do not know if he was born in Manchester or Ireland.
The only Census I have her in is 1911 as a widow.
I cant seem to find any of them in the 1901 census, and Im not sure how to search by address
I think I have found a school register for John and Frank, where they were enrolled as M'Olloy and mother's name is Annie it gives the address as 37 Bury st, ?? .... this was 1903, and the school was Gorton St James CE. A previous School was given as Webster st.
On Martha's Marriage cert to Edward it gave that both lived in Greenheys Masnchester
I hope this helps and doesn't confuse lol

Thank You so much everyone
it now gives me something to go on with the Ryder Mystery....I was begining to think maybe she might be a black widow ...hahaha ;-)

This looks like Martha's baptism: ???

Baptisms: 21 Apr 1878 St Clement, Urmston, Lancashire, England
Martha Annie Roberts - Daughter of Edward Roberts & Elizabeth
Born: 6 Jun 1873
Abode: Davyhulme
Occupation: Manager in Cotton Mill
Baptised by: E. Harwood Cooke Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1906, Page 36, Entry 286
Source: LDS Film 1408573


Dea x

Siblings - baptised at the same time:

Baptisms: 21 Apr 1878 St Clement, Urmston, Lancashire, England
Henrietta Roberts - Daughter of Edward Roberts & Elizabeth
Abode: Davyhulme
Occupation: Manager in Cotton Mill
Baptised by: E. Harwood Cooke Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1906, Page 36, Entry 288
Source: LDS Film 1408573

Baptisms: 21 Apr 1878 St Clement, Urmston, Lancashire, England
Rosamond Roberts - Daughter of Edward Roberts & Elizabeth
Born: 30 Nov 1874
Abode: Davyhulme
Occupation: Manager in Cotton Mill
Baptised by: E. Harwood Cooke Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1906, Page 36, Entry 287
Source: LDS Film 1408573

Dea x

Why can I not see this family on 1881???

Dea x

Hi Dea,
This is the info from BMD for Martha.
Name: Martha Anne Roberts
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1873
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
As I said I am waithing for her Birth cert but I think you might have it there.. Also her farther Edward Roberts is listed as dec on her marriage cert to Edward Molloy, and Edward Roberts was listed as a Machine fitter

Dea,
I feel your pain...lol
I have had the same trouble ...they just seem to disappear.
I can not find anything of Edward Molloy or Martha and children in any census until 1911.
There is an edward Molloy in Prison, but I am unsure as his profession is a bricklayer, not Bootmaker.
on the Wedding Cert (1898) it gives Edward Molloy being aged 36
meaning his birth was 1862, Father Thomas (dec ) and he was a bricklayer. Also his address at the time of marriage was 6 Hester st Greenheys
hope it helps
Julie x

That Thomas was the bricklayer ont Edward

? Wrong occupation..
1881 England Census about Edwd. Roberts
Name: Edwd. Roberts Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Gender: Male Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Rusholme County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address: 5 Woods Bdgs
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Mechanic
Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 83 Piece: 3911 Folio: 93 Page Number: 21
Edwd. Roberts 34
Elizabeth Roberts 33 Liverpool
Annie Roberts 8 Mancester
Rosamond Roberts 6 Manchester
William Roberts 3
Leah Roberts
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3911; Folio: 93; Page: 21; GSU roll: 1341934.

Added:
Deaths Jun 1880
Roberts Henrietta 3 Chorlton 8c 431

Yes - That's him Patchem - I had 'just' found it ! :-D :-D

Dea x

??
1891 England Census
Annie Roberts Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Withington Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Occupation: servant
Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 3163 Folio: 13 Page Number: 20
Jane Ellison 66
Sarah J Ellison 32
Albert G Ellison 28
Ellen A Ellison 23
Charles H Ellison 21
Annie Roberts 18
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3163; Folio: 13; Page: 20; GSU roll: 6098273.

Thanks heaps...what you both have given me dhas now given me Edward roberts' parents,... He named his daughter Rosamond after his mother
Thanks so much
Julie x

Hi
I am looking for any help in finding info on
Edward Molloy born about 1862 resided in Manchester UK
Father Thomas
I am not sure of place of birth for either

Edward married Martha Annie Roberts in 1898 in Chorlton Manchester

I have not been able to find Edward on the 1901 census, but Martha had a Child Ernest Molloy in 1902 to Edward

Martha appears on the 1911 census as a widow

I have copies of Edward's marriage certificate and that gives his age as 36
(in 1898) and his fathers' name as Thomas (dec),
it also gives his occupation as a master bootmaker. and it gives his Father's occupation as a Bricklayer
and he was living at 6, hester st Greenheys Manchester at the time of marriage

As I said I have not been able to find Edward on Census records or any death or Birth records
I'm still new to this so i hope this can help
Cheers