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It isn't surprising that Cynthia knew nothing of her mother's family.........the 1911 census indicates that Elsie wasn't brought up by her own family.

The evidence suggests that she was born to an unmarried female named Ball...............the second name Hinton possibly being a clue as to the father's identity.........

You really will have to purchase Elsie's birth cert if you wish to make any sort of progress on her line........and even then, it may not prove exactly easy.

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: George Gray
Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 27
Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Dec 1892
Parish: Fontmell Magna
Father's Name: George Gray
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jane Rideout
Spouse's Father's Name: John Rideout

1891

Name: George Gray
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Gray
Mother's Name: Hannah Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Shaftesbury
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1628
Folio: 52
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
George Gray 54
Hannah Gray 52
George Gray 30
Alfred Gray 26
Margaret Gray 21
Gertrude Gray 15
Beatrice Gray 10/12

Name: Bessie J Rideout
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Gillingham, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Gillingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Gillingham
Town: Gillingham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1630
Folio: 29
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Grace Rideout 76
George Bealing 81
Bessie J Rideout 22

Percy had been put in the Workhouse in 1891


Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Percy Rideout
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1886
Parish: Fontmell Magna
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jane Rideout

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Elizabeth Jane Rideout
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Oct 1867
Christening Place: West Orchard, Dorset, England
Father's Name: John Rideout
Mother's Name: Jane

In 1911, Percy Rideout is STEPSON

1901


Name: George Gray
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Bessie Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Shaftesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Shaftesbury St James
Town: Shaftesbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England



Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 1965
Folio: 48
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
George Gray 42
Bessie Gray 33
Percy Gray 15
Maggie Gray 12
Stanley Gray 7
William Gray 5
Gertrude Gray 10 Months

Elsie is boarding with the Georges and birthplace is given as Winchester Union which suggests the workhouse infirmary. Think you'll need to buy her birth cert to find out who her parents are.

There are birth registers which cover that year in hampshire record office but their charge is dearer than buying the cert (unless you live near enough to visit yourself).

That explains the confusion - middle name Hinton (not Winton)

???

Births Dec 1910
BALL Elsie H Winchester 2c 131

1911 census transcription details for: Bridge Cottage Twyford Hampshire
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN6133 RG78PN284 RD103 SD3 ED4 SN54
Reg. District: Winchester
Sub District: Twyford
Parish: Twyford
Enum. District: 4
Address: Bridge Cottage Twyford Hampshire
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GEORGE, John Owen Head Married M 26 1885 Postman Rural Sussex Chichester
GEORGE, Edith Emily Wife Married
1 years F 24 1887 Wilts Manton
SMITH, Wilfred Boarder Single M 21 1890 Postman Dorset Dorchester
BALL, Elsie Hinton Boarder F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Winchester Union


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Elsie Hinton Gray
Name: Elsie Hinton Gray
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1910
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1974
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Devizes
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 23
Page: 1820

Maureen

Here's the death of the husband:

Name: Allan John Huey
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1936
Date of Registration: May 1996
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Register Number: B13D
District and Subdistrict: 4271B
Entry number: 159

Reggie,

thanks - my mistake. I read Eileen's post as one from Charlotte. Have deleted all the Bass references.

Janice

So all the info about Edwin Gray born 1904 could be relevant after all

Your post, Charlotte, was misleading.............

Janice posted the marriage - above

Now PLEASE go to freebmd and look for children of the marriage.

There is honestly no need for anyone to have to do it for you

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
Gray Edwin Louis C Shaftesbury 5a 208

Janice..........

Nowhere on here did Charlotte say the name was BASS

Her first response is the one posted at 22:55

Charlotte.........

freebmd is FREE................

will pm you Cynthia and Allen 's marriage

>>edit she married as Gray

Could this be your grandmother? Winton is in Bournemouth, Dorset.

Name: GRAY, Cynthia A
Registration district: Bournemouth
County: Dorset
Year of registration: 1940
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Ball
Volume no2B
Page no1983

Hi thank you for the help but i mentioned before my grandmother's details are Cynthia Anne GRAY Born. 24/02/1939.

I cant find any information on Free BMD i find it very confusing and i cant afford to pay for these sites like i used to.. i do contact people on here but get very little feedback. If i knew how to use it i wouldn't be asking for help. I dont think the name ball rings a bell iv always known my grandmother and her sister to be known as Grays,

More info - My nan had 2 children . Andrew Huey and my father ( Stuart Paul Huey ) by their father Allan John Huey.

She may of been married to my grandfather i have no idea. i never met him. he is dead now anyway.

She also had one daughter Sarah Vine by Stephen Vine - now divorced.
hope this info may help

The 1911 census posted earlier is NOT the child born in late 1905........it's the one born JFM 1904

Charlotte

You should be using freebmd to look for info yourself..............it's an easy site to use, and there really isn't any reason why you can't look for info there

Name: Edwin Louis C Gray
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Registration district: Shaftesbury
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 208

Name: Edwin L K Gray
Spouse Surname: Ball
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1939
Registration district: Poole
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 782
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Name: Edwin Louis Carey Gray
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1904
Parish: Shaftesbury St James
Father's Name: George Henry Gray
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jane Gray
Name: Edwin Lewis K Gray
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1904


Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1970
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 327

NOT the person registered in 1905

Looks like it's Ball not Winton

Marriages Jun 1939
Ball Elsie H Gray Poole 5a 782
Gray Edwin L K Ball Poole 5a 782