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Edith Ruby Welsh

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Caroline

Caroline Report 30 Jul 2012 20:49

Edith Ruby Welsh born 1903 is my grandmother. She was the daughter of William Welsh born about 1873 and Mary born about 1874. Her siblings were Annie, Kate, Ellen, Alfred William, Mary and Harry born between 1893 and 1906 in and around the St Pancras and Marylebone areas. But apart from my grandmothers marriage and death I am struggling to find more information on the family. She married Stephen Henry James Gatrell in 1922 and died in 1987 but that's all I know.

Any assistance most gratefully received.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jul 2012 20:55

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: WELSH, Edith
Address: 8 Greese Street W

WELSH, William Head Married M 39 1872 Tinsmith Labourer London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Mary Wife Married19 years F 37 1874 Tailoress London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1893 Brewery Factory London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer No Work London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Annie Daughter Single F 12 1899 School London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Kate Daughter Single F 10 1901 School London St Pancras VIEW
WELSH, Edith Son Single F 8 1903 School London Marylebone VIEW
WELSH, Ellen Daughter Single F 5 1906 School London Marylebone VIEW
(7 Children and born and living)

Edith is in the female column on the image.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jul 2012 21:03

1901 England Census
about William Welsh
Name: William Welsh
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Welsh
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 164
Piece: 106
Folio: 99
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
William Welsh 27
Mary Welsh 28
Mary Welsh 7
Alfd Welsh 6
Harry Welsh 4
Annie Welsh 2


Mike *

Mike * Report 30 Jul 2012 21:07

Marriages Jun 1893 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Parents marriage

Crute John Henry St. Giles 1b 982
Ritterhoff Mary - St. Giles 1b 982 <<<<<<
Unia Elizabeth St. Giles 1b 982
Welsh William - St. Giles 1b 982 <<<<<

--------------------------------------

mother's birth

Births Mar 1872
Ritterhoff Mary Josephine = St. Giles 1b 581

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2012 21:09

her death record gives her actual birth date .as known by the informant

Name: Edith Ruby Gatrell
Birth Date: 3 Jun 1903
Date of Registration: Sep 1987
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Inferred County: Isle of Wight
Volume: 20
Page: 1886

Mike *

Mike * Report 30 Jul 2012 21:10

1881

Mary Ritterhoff
Age: 9
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: London St Giles, London, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Marital Condition: Single
Profession/Occupation: Scholar
Address: 29 Tottenham St
Census Place: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Head ? Ritterhoff M 43 ...born Germany
Wife Mary Ritterhoff F 30 ...born Belgium
Son Henrich Ritterhoff M 10 London St James, London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Mary Ritterhoff F 9 London St Giles, London, Middlesex, England
Son Andrews Ritterhoff M 8 London St Giles, London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Emilie Ritterhoff F 5 London St Giles, London, Middlesex, England
Lodger Head Julia Hull F 54 St Lukes, Middlesex, England
Son Walter Hull M 19 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Son George Hull M 17 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Son Frederick Hull M 14 St Giles

Mike *

Mike * Report 30 Jul 2012 21:13

Possible marriage for couple in1881 ( Edith's grandparents)

Marriages Dec 1869 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chettleburgh George Westminster, St.J. 1a 698
******LAMBILLION Mary J - Westminster St.J 1a 698
Rasell Hannah Sarah E Westminster, St. J. 1a 698
******RITTERHOFF Heinrich D - Westminster St. J. 1a 698
ROSELL Hannah Sarah E Westminster, St. J. 1a 698
WARD Henry James Westminster St J 1a 698

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2012 21:14

address in 1937-1939

Name: Edith Ruby Gatrell
Electoral Year: 1939
Parliamentary Division: St Marylebone
County or Borough: Westminster

30 Henstridge Place St John Wood Terrace Ward

with a George Gatrell and Stephen Henry Gatrell

Mike *

Mike * Report 30 Jul 2012 21:16

Cross check parents on her birth cert

Births Sep 1903
Welsh Edith Ruby - Marylebone 1a 497

patchem

patchem Report 30 Jul 2012 21:16

1871 England Census
Hadan Ritterhoff
Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ritterhoff
Gender: Male Where born: Larman, Germany
Civil parish: St James Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Westminster Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 78 Piece: 142 Folio: 53 Page Number: 11
Hadan Ritterhoff 33 (probably Heinrich) shoemaker
Mary Ritterhoff 20 Brussel, Germany (!!)
Heinrich Ritterhoff 1 Month
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 142; Folio: 53; Page: 11; GSU roll: 823293.

Added:
Di[d_]erich H Ritterhoff
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 14

Added:
?
Marie J Ritterhoff
Birth Date: abt 1850
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 125

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Jul 2012 21:17

Name: Edith Ruby Gatrell
Electoral Year: 1923
Parliamentary Division: St Pancras
County or Borough: Camden

4 Oakfield Crescent with Stephen Henry

Caroline

Caroline Report 30 Jul 2012 21:25

Wow the germanic roots I totally didn't expect! That's briliant.

Any thoughts on Edith's siblings as I'm curious as to whether any served in WW1, like her husband's older brother?

patchem

patchem Report 30 Jul 2012 21:33

?
Alfred W Welsh
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 466

Births Dec 1894
WELSH Alfred William Pancras 1b 36

patchem

patchem Report 30 Jul 2012 21:36

Is this Harry?
Births Dec 1896
Welsh Henry Charles Pancras 1b 34

Added:
?
Henry Charles Welsh
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1896
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1973
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Samford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 2702

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Jul 2012 21:51

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Ruby Welsh
Name: Edith Ruby Welsh
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 13 May 1903
Father's Name: William Welsh
Mother's Name: Mary Welsh
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

(address as 1911 above, Birthdate as 22nd April 1903, also at same time, Catherine Ellen, Birthdate as 28th March 1901)

Chris :)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jul 2012 21:58

Hmmm!

So where is "Harry" in 1911??

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Jul 2012 22:06

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(Alfred Burial on above, pay to view)

Chris :)

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 30 Jul 2012 22:09

Name: Henry Ritterhoff
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 26 Mar 1887
Father's Name: Henry Ritterhoff
Mother's Name: Mary Ritterhoff
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone St Andrew
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 6 Little Goodge Street.
Shown as ADULT baptism with birthdate 5 September 1869

Caroline

Caroline Report 30 Jul 2012 22:37

That's very useful thanks, but still curious about Alfred and Harry. Will keep digging!

patchem

patchem Report 30 Jul 2012 23:19

Is Harry actually Henry Charles?
Thanks