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More help needed if possible? I have a Patrick Dunn born Ireland circa 1821 in my tree. Patrick appears in the 1881 census, living at 6 Dexter Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool with the occupation given as sailor. Wife Lucinda and a daughter also Lucinda. His father’s name is given as John and his mother’s as Helen (maybe Ellen)

Can anyone help me find the following:-

1. Patrick’s birth place in Ireland and date if possible (father John, mother Helen) I’ve found a Patrick Dunn born 1817 in Liverpool with the right parental names, but why claim he was Irish in 1881??

2. I’ve had no luck tracing Patrick and Lucinda’s marriage, as I’d like to know what Lucinda’s maiden name was and was she also from Ireland or was she from somewhere else.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

The census should say where his wife was born

Shirley

I've only seen FREE transcription on IGI of the census and Lucinda's birthplace is not mentioned.

Steve

1881 says both she and her daughter were born Ireland
Name: Lucinda Dunn
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Patrick Dunn
Gender: Female
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 6 Dexter St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3635
Folio: 127
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Dunn 60 sailor
Lucinda Dunn 60 b Dublin
Lucinda Dunn 34 b Dublin
Jane Hagdon 12 grandaughter b liverpool
Lucinda Hagdon 11 grandaughter b liverpool
John Walsh 24
Emma Walsh 24

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3635; Folio: 127; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341870.

1861 England Census about Lucinda Dunn
Name: Lucinda Dunn
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Patrick Dunn
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:6 Dexter Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2698
Folio: 85
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Dunn 46
Lucinda Dunn 45
William Dunn 17
Lucinda Dunn 17
Henry Dunn 7 b Ireland
John Walsh 50 lodger
Ann Walsh 49
Henry Gilmore 26
Ann Gilmore 25
Jonathan Skinner 36
Ann Skinner 34
Henry Skinner 3

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2698; Folio: 85; Page: 2; GSU roll: 543014.


orthers in the same house are all lodgers

Shirley

Thanks, that's really helpful, and Hagdon is a completely new name to me.

Steve

1891
in the Workhouse

1891 England Census about Lucinda Dunn
Name: Lucinda Dunn
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: Toxteth Park Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2941
Folio: 76
Page Number: 19

I wonder if this is Lucinda in 1871:

1871 England Census
about Lucanda Haydon
Name: Lucanda Haydon
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Haydon
Mother's Name: Lucanda Haydon
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 3794
Folio: 90
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Haydon 32
Lucanda Haydon 26
Lucanda Haydon 3
Jane Haydon 8 Months

Lucinda snr is shown as married on the 1881 image.

1871 England Census about Henry Dunn
Name: Henry Dunn
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Patrick Dunn
Mother's Name: Lencinde Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 3794
Folio: 89
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Dunn 60
Lencinde Dunn 60
Henry Dunn 14 son born Liverpool occ gas fitter
Maria Bennett 16 servant
Thomas Bradshaw 77lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3794; Folio: 89; Page: 2; GSU roll: 841900.

address 6 Dexter Street

Lucinda jnr's baptism:

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Lucinda Hayden
Name: Lucinda Hayden
Birth Date: 7 May 1868
Baptism Date: 17 May 1868
Parish: St Patrick
Father's Name: Roberti Hayden
Mother's Name: Lucinda Dunn

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906 about Joanna Hayden
Name: Joanna Hayden
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1870
Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1870
Parish: St Patrick
Father's Name: Roberti Hayden
Mother's Name: Lucinda Dunn

Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988 about Lucinda Dunn
Name: Lucinda Dunn
Birth Year: abt 1817
Age: 76
Death Year: abt 1893
Burial Date: 3 Mar 1893
Parish: Ford Cemetery


Name: Lucinda Dunn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Toxeth Park
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 180

Great stuff!

thanks

I Patrick's occupation was Tailor rather than Sailor - in 1861 Lucinda snr is a waistcoat maker and Lucinda jnr in 1881 is a seamstress.

I notice his YOB varies between 1811, 1816 and 1821!

Potty

You can tell why poor soul's like me can get easily confused!

Thanks fot all the help

Steve

????

Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. NICHOLAS WITHIN

Marriage of PATRICK DUNNE of ST. NICHOLAS' WITHIN PARISH and LUCINDA MOULANG of ST NICHOLAS WITHIN PARISH on 10 October 1831

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Name PATRICK DUNNE LUCINDA MOULANG
Address ST. NICHOLAS' WITHIN PARISH ST NICHOLAS WITHIN PARISH
Occupation N/R N/R
Father DUNNE MOULANG
Mother N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Witness 1 H WOOD ROBT
Witness 2 ALEXR WALDREE
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier
N/R N/R N/R DU-CI-MA-41045

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Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. ANDREW

Baptism of LUCINDA MARIA DUNN of N/R on N/R N/R 1844

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Name LUCINDA MARIA DUNN
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father PATRICK DUNN
Mother LUCINDA
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 HENRY DUNN
Sponsor 2 MARY ANNE BRETT
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier
12 391 B DU-RC-BA-201846

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safc & Shirley

If Patrick was born 1821 he'd be too young, if 1811 then it could well be him and Lucinda.

One of the census records 1861 from Shirley mentions a son William, which fits in exactly with my 3x Gt Granfather, who was William Dunn who married a Janet Aitchison.

Thanks again for everyone's help.

Steve