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Thank you ReikaH & Agryll Gran for your replies. Yes i agree E (Gallon) is vague and it is wrong for me to assume it is Elizabeth
You are right, my father when he returned from China stayed with his step brother in 180 Princess St, Manchester
My apologies to all and many thanks to all who contributed on my thread

You posted some time ago....................

My dad, Chin Lee Dock also served in WW!! but i cant find anything on him, can anyone help, i know he received 4-5 medals during his time there. He was born in 1921 18th Jan
Thanks#
Regards

WWII records are not online. You have to purchase them at a cost of £30.

Referring back to AustinQ's post on 25 Jun 2016, when he couldn't decipher the address to which Chin Lee was going. It looks to me very much like Princess Road, Manchester

1939 for the address
180 Princess Road, Manchester, Manchester C.B.,
Clin Fongtoy 09 Jan 1903, England Male Laundryman Married 153 1
Chu Au Chug Fongtoy 17 Sep 1914 Female Housewife Married 153 2
3 closed records

Looking again at this, I see you ask,
"Could you please let me know the address in Runcorn ? Who was living there?"


If you mean Chin Dock and Lee Chin's address, that was given in the 1924 travel record posted by Shirley on 7 Sep 2019 at 19:41, and previously in 2016 by DetEcTive.

817 Church Street, Runcorn.

The woman who travelled in 1927 wasn't necessarily an Elizabeth.

Her initial is only E.
Edith / Ellen / Ethel /Evelyn / Ermengarde/ etc - could be anything.

READ my post about that passenger list

Thank you for your reply
I always appreciate whatever information i can get as i never met my grandmother and i dont think my father ever knew what happened to her after my grandfather took him away to China for his schooling and when my dad came back to England at 16, he never saw my grandmother again as far as i am aware

Could you please let me know the address in Runcorn ? Who was living there?
I think the astigmatism in having an illegitimate child may have resulted in my grandmother changing her name but i know my father was registered at birth as a Wilson and as Chin Lee
I have no information on a Wilson

The other thing i mentioned was that a Elizabeth Gallon was listed as a Passenger in 1927 (6 years after my dad was born). I dont know if she is my grandmother but it seems a coincident

I have many 4th/5th /6th cousins named on my DNA matches but none of their names have no relation to my grandfather/mother

Thanks again for any help
Martin Lee

Runcorn seems to be a red herring, in any case.

All the Elizabeth Gallons born within a reasonable timeframe were born in the Northumberland/Durham area, except for an Elizabeth Margaret born in Lambeth in 1895.

So whoever she was, she may have moved to Runcorn for work, and met Chin Dock there.
She didn't just go there to give birth away from a home town elsewhere, as Chin Dock's address is still Runcorn in 1924.

Or she may have been living with Mr Wilson there - but wasn't married to him.

But there's a big gap between 1911 census and 1939 register, when she could have moved around all over the place, and we won't be able to find out where she was.

There was no-one registered to vote at 89 Church Street, Runcorn in 1921 or 1922

1920 ER is not transcribed on FMP

The 'last permanent residence' for that single woman travelling in 1927 was NOT the UK - it was South Africa.

And there is ONLY the initial ‘E’ - NO actual forename

Who registered your father's birth?

Just a long shot to follow up on my grandmother Elizabeth Gallon who might be the same person that i am looking for: Her name appeared on a Passenger List as follows:

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
First Name E
Last Name Gallon
Title MISS
Age Transcribed 27
Departure Year 1927
Departure Month 9
Departure Day 3
Ship Name Carmarthenshire
Ship Departure Port Southampton
Destination Port Cape
State
Country South Africa
Destination Place CAPE
Destination Place Country SOUTH AFRICA
Gender Female
Marital Status
Occupation NIL
Birth Year 1900
Birth Month
Birth Day
Country Of Birth
Last Residence Country
UK Address
Ship Official Number 148766
Ship Master's First Name H
Ship Master's Surname STRONG
Ship Master's Title CAPT
Shipping line UNION CASTLE MAIL S S CO LTD
Departure Port SOUTHAMPTON
Ship Destination Port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship Destination Country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship Square Feet
Ship Registered Tonnage 12194
Number Of Passengers 621
Category Travel & migration
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Collections from Great Britain, England



How can i find out more information on what/where she ended up. It is just a coincidence her name turned up

Thanks
Martin

If your grandmother is listed as Elizabeth Wilson formerly Gallon on your father's birth certificate in 1921, would she have travelled in 1927 using the surname Gallon rather than Wilson?

I still haven't found what I was searching since over a year
My Grandmother E Gallon (father's side) may have been the Passenger Listed leaving Southampton for Cape (South Africa) on Carmarthenshire ship in 1927 (born 1900) so she would have been 27 years. My father Chin Dock would have been 6 years of age. Can anybody help with finding any more information because I have come to a standstill
Thanks
Martin Lee (grandson)

(not much help below!)

Chris :)

02 December 1925 - The Scotsman - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

STEAMSHIP MOVEMENTS
ELPENOR, from Liverpool, arr. Penang, 29.

If this is Elizabeth she was only 21 when the son was born

Mother's Maiden Surname:
GALLON, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 779


Could she have already married a Wilson by then

But there’s no marriage showing

By the birth record her mum wasn’t married .is it possible she married a Wilson so Elizabeth was known as Wilson rather than marrying a Wilson

Repeating what is already known

View UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
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Name: Chin Dock
Gender: Female
Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1874
Departure Date: 1 Nov 1924
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Hong Kong, China
Ship Name: Elpenor
Search Ship Database: Search for the Elpenor in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Blue Funnel Line
Official Number: 137536
Master: Captain T W Hanney
Occ laundryman

Home address 817 Church Street Runcorn

With Lee Chin aged 3
Intending to live in China

Which DNA test did you take? There are a number of sites which will allow you to upload your raw DNA results to check for matches and try to make contact with relatives, some are better than others.

Thanks Rose
Yes, i had my DNA done but it shows my roots as being Asian and 11% European

Thank you Rambling for your replies
My dad's birthday certificate does mentioned address as 89 Church St, Runcorn, Cheshire
My dad appears to be registered twice
Chin L Dock & Chin L Wilson, his mother is Elizabeth Gallon & his father Chin Dock
But had no idea his mother changed name to Elizabeth Wilson (Presume she married a Wilson?)
I assume my Grandmother looked after my father until he was 3 years old because his father took him to China
My father never saw his mother again and never spoke much about her
That's the reason i am trying to research our roots
Then i came across a Elizabeth gallon as a Passenger List bound for Cape, South Africa
Again, she may not be the same person but it seems a coincidence that she just disappeared from scene

Thank you Rambling for your replies
My dad's birthday certificate does mentioned address as 89 Church St, Runcorn, Cheshire
My dad appears to be registered twice
Chin L Dock & Chin L Wilson, his mother is Elizabeth Gallon & his father Chin Dock
But had no idea his mother changed name to Elizabeth Wilson (Presume she married a Wilson?)
I assume my Grandmother looked after my father until he was 3 years old because his father took him to China
My father never saw his mother again and never spoke much about her
That's the reason i am trying to research our roots
Then i came across a Elizabeth gallon as a Passenger List bound for Cape, South Africa
Again, she may not be the same person but it seems a coincidence that she just disappeared from scene