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Thanks Folks will go though this slowly and get a great pic of the family and their life, good and bad...xx

Spoke to my husband's Scutt friend who says he doesn't recognise any of the names. He said there were a number of Scutts in Sussex ... his father was one of 22.
Good luck.

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 (Find My Past)

(Charles, Fred and Marjorie on above, from Workhouse)

Chris :)

Date of Admission 2/1/06 From Workhouse No Previous School Attended.

Charles Born 2/10/96 Left 02/08 Cause of Leaving, Boys School

Fred Born 6/6/98 Left 06/08 Cause, Gone Away

Marjorie Date of Admission 16/5/12 From Workhouse Born 12/10/00 Last School Attended, Byworth. Left 29/4/13 Cause, Left Petworth

Name of Parent or Guardian for all, John


(also a George (born 23/12/07) and Henry (Born 2/12/06) from Workhouse, Father as Samuel)


Edits (another, if Mother)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914

Sadler Emma J 1875 Admittted 29/4/84 (Born 19/9/75, but under 9 did look like 2) Parent/Guardian, Mary Sadler, occ. Needlewoman, Abode, Limbor?, Last School Lurgashall


Deaths Dec 1881 (>99%)
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Sadler James 46 Westhampnett 2b 227

(not sure if already posted, but would fit with Father 1881)


1891 (Find My Past)
Mary Sadler Head Widow Female 51 1840 Charwoman Lodsworth, Sussex, England
Mary J Sadler Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Charwoman Sussex, England
Thomas Sadler Son - Male 13 1878 Farm Servant Sussex, England
Kate Sadler Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Sussex, England
Ann E Sadler Granddaughter - Female 4 1887 - Petworth, Sussex, England
Street Limbow
Parish Petworth
County Sussex
Registration district Petworth
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 832
Folio 9
Page 12


(1901 Limbo Petworth, Petworth, Sussex, with Kate)

Bit of an update : Looks like Emma's father who was a gamekeeper died in 1881 and the family seemed to go into decline, maybe he was bread winner and her John might not have been skilled to keep roof over their head after he came out of army...x

Just for information, my husband has a friend, surname Scutt, who was born in Sussex. I'll email him and see if he knows anything.

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-423641-bigenor-farmhouse-petworth-west-sussex#.V8xDCpX6scA

(just out of interest!, was that Bigenor Farm perhaps, looking round on google search, and newspapers)

Chris :)

Flippin' Eck Folks , back home you have helped to establish Emma Jane Sadler and her poor family, I wondered if John Scutt could have been in the army and away lots that is why they never married earlier ? or she had children and he took the elder one's on as his own by the 1911 census....lots for me to go through tonight...Once again your kindness is out standing.x

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Sadler
Relationship -
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Soldier
Age 18
Birth year 1893
Birth place Sussex Petworth
Address Woolwich Common Woolwich
Parish Woolwich
County London
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Woolwich
Registration district number 30
Enumeration district 33
District number -
Sub district Woolwich
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN2881 RD30 SD2 ED33 SN1
Piece number 2881

He is listed on original as a Gunner

In the workhouse.
William and Charles were born before Emma married and their births were registered as Sadler (Petworth RD). I can't find a suitable registration for Frederick under Sadler or Scutt. He may have been presumed to be Sadler along with his "Brothers" but maybe his Father was John Scutt (reason for the marriage?) as per the tillington.net reference posted earlier.

Here it also says his parents had 5 other children
Marjorie
John - if this is the child that died, perhaps Fred didn't know/remember him. Can't find a definitive birth/death
James
Henry
George
Grace

That would account for the 9 born (Although not necessarily to the marriage!) and one death shown on the 1911 census. Though where William and George are in 1911 ??

Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
Sadler Charles Petworth 2b 332

"Wonder why they used her maiden name for the children in the workhouse"

If the children were born before their mother married John Scutt, technically they were Sadlers.
They may have been John's children but on the other hand someone else may have been their father.

John Scutt on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Scutt Household (3 People) Wickford , Chanctonbury R.D., Sussex, England
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John Scutt 19 Apr 1858 Male Pensioner Widowed 5 3
James Scutt 15 Dec 1907 Male Garden Labourer Heavy Worker Married 5 1
Ethel Scutt 16 Sep 1907 Female Cook Married 5 2

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Emma Jane Sadler
England, Sussex, Parish Registers
Name John Scutt
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 20 May 1899
Event Place New Shoreham, Sussex, England
Gender Male
Age 38
Marital Status Single
Birth Year (Estimated) 1861
Father's Name Richard Scutt
Spouse's Name Emma Jane Sadler
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 27
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1872
Spouse's Father's Name James Sadler
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"England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Q7-9QZD : 12 August 2016), John Scutt and Emma Jane Sadler, 1899.

no occupation would need to buy marriage cert

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Horncroft, Lower, Bury, Petworth, Sussex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Scutt Head - Male 48 1823 - Sussex, England
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Frances Scutt Wife - Female 42 1829 - Sussex, England
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George Scutt Son - Male 21 1850 - Sussex, England
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Fanny Scutt Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Sussex, England
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John Scutt Son - Male 12 1859 - Sussex, England
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Charles Scutt Son - Male 9 1862 - Sussex, England
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Caroline Scutt Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Sussex, England
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William Scutt Son - Male 6 1865 - Sussex, England
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Samuel Scutt Son - Male 2 1869 - Sussex, England

Thanks safc.

If her father was James then it looks like she fits the 1875 one with parents James & Mary ??

She probably 'up'd her age a bit' as he was so much older than her - It often happened.

Does it give James' occupation ?

Dea x

Charlie Sadler
England Births and Christenings
Name Charlie Sadler
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Feb 1897
Christening Place Petworth, Sussex, England
Mother's Name Emma Sadler

John Scutt
England, Sussex, Parish Registers
Name John Scutt
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 20 May 1899
Event Place New Shoreham, Sussex, England
Gender Male
Age 38
Marital Status Single
Birth Year (Estimated) 1861
Father's Name Richard Scutt
Spouse's Name Emma Jane Sadler
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 27
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1872
Spouse's Father's Name James Sadler

from family search

Wonder why they used her maiden name for the children in the workhouse, maybe they were near to her family, one will never know...but so sad...off out will come back later and have fun sorting out all this fab info you kind people have uncovered, once again thank you folks, if any of you need grave hunting up in North West i am your girl.xx :-)

William Sadler also in the Workhouse in 1901:


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) William
Last name Sadler
Relationship Pauper
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 8
Birth year 1893
Occupation -
Birth town Petworth
Birth town as transcribed PETWORTH
Birth county Sussex
Birth county as transcribed SUSSEX
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish New Shoreham
City -
Country England
County Sussex
Municipal ward -
Registration district Steyning
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 946
Folio 44
Page 15
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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Charles and Frederick are with him - also with the surname Sadler !!


Dea x

EDIT - OOOppps - sorry Kath I have just read through again and realise that you posted this hours ago !!

Dea Xxx <3

Poor Fred, just read it so sad.x