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My 4x Great Grandmother MARY LAW: SORTED THANX!

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Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 30 Oct 2020 15:33

I've got thre final updates on this search:

1. The 'Worthy' surname definitely has no connections to our family. She seems to have just been the 'landlady' of the address in Brighton Parade where my ancestor died Talbot Row was a line of seafront houses just south of Brighton Parade.

2. Blackpool Library replied to me today with a super helpful email and included a screenshot of the OS map of Blackpool from 1890!
" Brighton Parade was a row of 9 buildings on the Promenade just to the north of North Pier and what is now the Metropole Hotel. ... the Directories ... mostly appear to be Boarding Houses, as many buildings on the Promenade were. As most visitors during this period were in Blackpool for reasons of health it is probably reasonable to assume that is why she was here."

3. And then I found a photograph online which shows Blackpool seafront and Brighton Parade is clear as day on it!

RESULT.
:-D :-D

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 28 Oct 2020 18:23

Re my above post:

Better eyes now see that the surname is in fact WORTHY.

And I've now found her under that name, same occupation, in the 1861 census and her Lodging House is in Talbot Row.

So I'm now going to discount her as having any connections to the family.

Thank you again everyone.
:-)

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 28 Oct 2020 15:03

AT LAST - I managed to find Brighton Parade listed in the 1871 census and it seems to be an area of Lodging Houses which would make sense.

The possible hit is Elizabeth Worthing... . The enumerator has squiggled the last part of her surname but it looks as if she and her sister are in fact Worthington's from Manchester.

The Worthington surname and the pob of Manchester is a possible; my family had close relationships with the Worthington family.

However, I can't find her in the 1861 census which would be a big help. Can anyone out there see her, please?

:-)

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 25 Oct 2020 17:10

Yup, I'd been through all the possible Richard Leighton's in the census and none of them really 'fitted'.

I'm just waiting for a reply from the Library about 'Brighton Parade' and will post on here when I hear.

Thank you. :-D

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Oct 2020 08:38

I can only see five Richard Leightons in all Lancashire in 1861.

One is at 15 Clifton Street in Layton, but he's a mechanic.
One is a grocer in Lancaster.
The third is only 17, and is a mechanic in Slyne with Hest, Bolton.
The other two are crew members on board ship at Liverpool.

The Layton one, in case relevant:

Richard Leighton
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Richard Leighton
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1826
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Layton with Warbreck
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester
Town: Blackpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Fylde
Sub-registration District: Poulton le Fylde
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 185
Piece: 3148
Folio: 42
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Walsh 31
Mary Walsh 42
Thomas Walsh 3
Ellen Moffatt 30
Richard Leighton 35


The Richard Leighton who was in attendance may only have been in Lancashire between censuses, and not appear in either 1861 or 1871 in Blackpool area.

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 24 Oct 2020 22:57

Sorry ErikaH; fingers moving faster than brain on that one. Of course, what I meant was that on her DEATH CERTIFICATE of 1865 she died at 'Brighton Parade'. Sorry. I'd started to write the sentence and then changed it which is why it reads oddly as well.

The Richard Leighton who was In Attendance of the same address kind of indicates that perhaps he was a doctor of some kind and I'm hoping that eventually there will be some reference, however vague, in the 1861/1871 census that there was a clinic or the like at an address in Brighton Parade.

I'll have another go at this tomorrow.

Thank you everyone.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Oct 2020 16:48

On FMP, select the relevant census record, put in Blackpool as location, and Brighton as a ‘keyword’

BTW, your statement that it ‘says on the 1861 census that she died....etc,’ simply isn’t possible

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 16:25

Haven't found Brighton Parade in 1861 census - so far.

I'm looking on Ancestry.
Rose found the 1891 for Martha Smith on FMP.
I'm not sure how good FMP is for finding addresses, as I don't have a sub to it.
Ancestry is OK in some census years - enter the town name in the "Lived in" box, and enter the address in the "keyword" box - but it doesn't work in all years. Sometimes it's a question of time-consuming trawling..

Sometimes if you Google the street name and the year of census, you'll find a search result naming someone who lived in that street in that year, and can find the street on the census by looking up that person.

However, none of these has worked for Brighton Parade in 1861. I'm sure Rose would have posted it if she'd found it.

I only found Keats Risk in 1861 because I had his name from Rose's link.

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 24 Oct 2020 14:52

Thank you all.

How do you search for a specific address on a census? I worked it out some time ago and have now forgotten how to do it. :-S

Did you find these entries on ancestry/FMP/other?

And it does clearly state on this 1861 census that she died in 1865 at Brighton Parade and also that RICHARD LEIGHTON, In attendance/Residendce of Informant is also of Brighton Parade.

I need to trawl through the Brighton Parade entries on this 1861 census and see if anything pops up. How do I do that, please? I realise that you very kind peeps have already had a go, but I need to know anyway!
:-D

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 14:09

Keats Robinson Risk (the surgeon in Rose's link above) was at 8 Albert Terrace in 1861:

Keats Robinson Nick
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Keats Robinson Nick
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Constance Elizabeth Risk
Gender: Male
Where born: St Hepdens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Layton with Warbreck
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester
Town: Blackpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Fylde
Sub-registration District: Poulton le Fylde
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 31
Piece: 3148
Folio: 29
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Keats Robinson Nick 45
Constance Elizabeth Risk 45
Constance Larsan Ida Risk 13
Lacy Margaret Algont Risk 10
Cathrine Bela 24
Elizabeth Williams 21
Ellen Owen 23
Mary Thomas 22
Thomas Archer 69


At 5 Albert Terrace (per image) in 1870 ER:

Keats Robinson Risk
in the Lancashire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1935
Name: Keats Robinson Risk
Residence Date: 1870
Residence Place: Albert Terrace, Blackpool, Lancashire, England
Parlimentary Division: South West Lancashire


I don't see any of the family in 1871 census on Ancestry - must be mistranscribed.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 13:34

I don't see any sign of him in Blackpool before his marriage in 1886.

In any case, he was only born c1860.

George Chadwick Kingshury
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: George Chadwick Kingshury
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Oct 1886
Parish: Blackpool, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Ada Edelston
Spouse Age: 20
Father: Andrew Mcmath Kingsbury
Spouse Father: James Edelston
Register Type: Parish Register

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 13:28

~At 3 Brighton Parade in 1891:

George Chadwick Kingsbury
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Chadwick Kingsbury
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1860
Spouse: Ada Ringsbury
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Layton with Warbreck
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Blackpool, Layton with Warbreck, Lancashire, England
Registration District: Fylde
Sub registration district: Blackpool
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 3452
Folio: 72
Household Members:
Name Age
George Chadwick Kingsbury 31 - Ireland
Ada Ringsbury 25
Elizabeth Ann Ringsbury 22
Mary Jane Diggle 41
Jane Elizabeth Docking 16

George is a "Registered MD, general practitioner "


In 1901 he's at no 5 Brighton Parade, listed as "physician surg."

In 1911 he's in London, listed as "Barrister (& doctor of medicine) ".

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Oct 2020 13:13

Is there a street number. This surgeon practiced at number 3:

https://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/client/en_GB/lives/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ASSET$002f0$002fSD_ASSET:375286/one

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Oct 2020 13:03

Brighton Parade in 1891:

Name: Martha Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Layton, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Layton With Warbreck, Lancashire, England
Event Place Note: Brighton Parade
County: Lancashire
Parish: Layton With Warbreck
Ecclesiastical Parish: CHRISTCHURCH
Enumeration District: 4
Registration District: Fylde
Gender: Female
Age: 60
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Boarding And Lodging House Keeper
Birth Year (Estimated): 1831
Birthplace: Cheshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Page Number: 29
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 3452/ 73

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Martha Smith Head F 60 Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Smith Aunt F 39 Cheshire, England
Annie Edge Servant F 18 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Fisher Visitor F 52 Lancashire, England
Murill Halls, Madam Visitor F 25 England
James Howard Visitor M 54 England
Sarah Howard Visitor F 36 England
John Howard Visitor M 12 England

Household ID: 5055890
Line Number: 8
GS Film Number: 101790653
Digital Folder Number: 101790653
Image Number: 00147

Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 12:49

The only mentions of a Brighton Parade in Blackpool that I can find on Google are these - but from 1912 and 1917:

Jewish Chronicle, 23 February 1912, page 6

Comor’s Private Hotel, Brighton Parade, Blackpool. ‘The ONLY high-class ORTHODOX HOTEL and Restaurant IN BLACKPOOL’. Mrs and Miss Comor.



Jewish Chronicle, 19 January 1917, page 19

At residence of Henry Comor, 5 Brighton Parade, paper on ‘Dr Lopez and Queen Elizabeth’ by Rev D. Caplan, to the Hebrew Young Men’s Association.


In 1911 there's a Comor family at 1 Warley Road, running a boarding house.


Haven't found Brighton Parade in censuses - so far.

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 24 Oct 2020 11:56

I'd like to try to find 'Brighton Parade' in the 1861 census and see what went on there. How do I search for a specific address, please?
:-)

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 24 Oct 2020 11:47

Typo alert. He is RICHARD Leighton and I have looked for him on both 1861 and 1871 censuses and nothing 'fits'.

Heavy rain today means that I will pursue this one and NOT be going for a walk!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Oct 2020 11:33

Have you tried looking for John Leighton on the later census

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 24 Oct 2020 11:27

Little update in my research. Her address of death in Blackpool is 'Brighton Parade' and the Informant of Death [John Leighton, no relation] was of the same address. I have discovered that Blackpool had become known as 'the Brighton of the North' since c.1790 for recuperative health reasons and I would guess that she had been sent there to recover from her 'Chronic Gastritis some years' before her death of 'Peritonitis 2 weeks'. I am hoping to find out that there was perhaps a Sanatorium or other health establishment at Brighton Parade. Does this ring any bells out there, please?

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 6 Jun 2018 20:01

Thank you, thank you all.
:-) :-)