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some birth dates have been amended on the 1939 index but I see the Fredericks
has not been changed

Mavis

Not seeing any Frederick on the 1911 census with a father named Arthur or Albert


Maybe tracing birth certs of siblings would identify his

But we don't know if he had any siblings - do we?

The Florence and George mentioned in the other thread have been discounted as the children of George Rickett(s) and Mary Ann Clarke.

RICKETT, GERTRUDE FLORENCE mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 657

RICKETT, FREDERICK JOHN mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 639

RICKETT, GEORGE EDWARD mms CLARK
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 694

The other thread about Ricketts

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362127

Also this one - per the other thread:

RICKETTS, MARY ANN AMELIA mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 696

In the light of the certs I know have, not sure that the George and Florence Ricketts is my family, at the time of finding this family mum said that her father Fred had at least 1 sister and I mentioned the name Florence and she said it rang a bell! Got my mum's birth cert today and it says her father was Frederick Alfred Ricketts same as her sister Rosina 3 years earlier, only her mother's death cert gives his name as Frederick William Ricketts. Looking at Fred's marriage cert again ( with the terrible writing) the father's name could possible be Alfred and not Albert and Occ could be porter but looks more like painter!! Still no further forward and not sure I can rely on what mum says but she is the last link.

As I said on page one, he may not have been a Ricketts at birth. You need to consider all possibilities

Does the death certificate say wife/widow of Frederick William or the informant was Frederick William which I think was the name of one of the family

I think IancashireAnn last post has found the answer. Frederick William Ricketts only appears on his wife's death in 1976, Fred died in 1972. It says widow of Frederick William Ricketts, informant was my uncle, Arthur born in 1945, he didn't know his father's middle name and just went with the name of first son born Frederick William Ricketts in 1936 possible made up date of birth and place too?? Will have to speak to him tomorrow but this makes perfect sense, I am looked for a Frederick Alfred Ricketts born between 1906 and 1909. Thank you

We've already looked for such a birth, and only one was found - posted by safc and disproved by Mavis, on page 1.

Perhaps Arthur, not knowing his father's full details, just assumed his birth surname was Ricketts, as that's what he'd always known him to be.

He may have been adopted, and his whole name changed - or he may have just changed it himself, for some reason.

I've tried to look into the possibility that he was born illegitimately, and his mother then married a Ricketts, but can't see any feasible Ricketts marriage to a woman with the birth surname of any Frederick William or Frederick Alfred born 1906-09. To cut down the numbers, I assumed he was born in London - but of course he could have been born anywhere.

Thank you for confirming that there is no Frederick Ricketts with any variation born at that time, I don't know where to go from here, will speak to uncle Arthur and mum again but he doesn't seem to exist before his marriage in 1930.

Well, in the absence of anything else which makes sense, I am convinced that he lied about his age (and his father's name) on his marriage and he is this one:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Hethersett Street Ferdinand Street N W, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frederick Ricketts Head Married Male 42 1869 Bedfordshire Leighstone Timber Porter
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Lucy Ricketts Wife Married Female 44 1867 London St Pancras -
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***Frederick Ricketts Son Single Male 16 1895 London St Pancras Van Guard
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Florence Ricketts Daughter Single Female 13 1898 London St Pancras School
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George Ricketts Son Single Male 10 1901 London St Pancras School
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Elizabeth Martin Niece Single Female 19 1892 London St Pancras Dressmaker





1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45, Ferdinand Place, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

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Frederick Ricketts Head Married Male 32 1869 Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, England Timber Carman
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Kate Ricketts Wife Married Female 27 1874 St Pancras, Middlesex, England -
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Frederick W Ricketts Son - Male 6 1895 St Pancras, Middlesex, England -
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Florence Ricketts Daughter - Female 3 1898 St Pancras, Middlesex, England -
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George Ricketts Son - Male 0 1901 St Pancras, Middlesex, England -



RICKETTS, FREDERICK WILLIAM MARCHANT Order
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 185



Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
RICKETTS, GEORGE EDWARD MARCHANT Order
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 23 Order
RICKETTS, JOHN HENRY MARCHANT Order
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 11 Order


RICKETTS, FLORENCE DOROTHY MARCHANT Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 179 Order
RICKETTS, KATE MARCHANT Order
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 150


Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
HILLSDON Mary Hannah Pancras 1b 321 Scan available - click to view
**Marchant Martha Kate Pancras 1b 321 Scan available - click to view
Paine Charles William Pancras 1b 321 Scan available - click to view
**Ricketts Frederick Pancras 1b 321 Scan available - click to view


Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
RICKETTS Kate 30 Pancras 1b 10

This is probably absolute rubbish but I can't seem to let it go - what does anyone else think?

Dea x

It's as good a guess as any, Dea!

I find it hard to believe that anyone choosing to change their surname would pick Ricketts . ( No offence to anyone named Ricketts!)

So either he was born Ricketts, or he was adopted and given the name.

But he may well have lied about his age.

who remembers "Reckitt's Blue " my mother always used it -- made whites look

even whiter


Mavis

Still available on Amazon! And possibly elsewhere, for all I know.

https://tinyurl.com/y8kp92pz

Only thing is Dea......

????!?

First name(s) Frederick W
Last name Ricketts
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1895
Age 24
Death quarter 3
Death year 1919
District Pancras
County London
Volume 1B
Page 12
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

I am convinced that he was Frederick Alfred Ricketts as stated on my mum and her sisters birth certs and the more I look at his marriage cert, his father could be Alfred and not Albert. I can't believe that he would choose Ricketts as a surname, unless it was close to his original name. If anyone would care to look at the certs I have, I may have missed something. I have resorted to studying the few photo's I have of him to see if he looks older than he said ( really clutching at straws). Will question mum again on Sunday but so far she thinks Alfred is right, he had sisters and his family was from Cricklewood, North London. Thanks everyone

Any idea of any sisters names ???

You seem to be missing the point I have tried to make about his birth name.

He could have been born to someone who later married a Ricketts, at which time his surname could have changed

Erika - you are very probably correct but I have looked at LOTS of Frederick (Alfreds' and Williams') born between 1905 and 1910 and then later marriages of their mothers to a Ricketts and I have been unable to link anything up (not surprisingly !!).

That is not to say that this did not happen but just that it is going to be impossible to find without more info.

Dea x