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I am looking for information on Thomas T Brown born in Ireland in 1846. Married to Sarah Cooper in December 1869. Death date of September 5, 1887 in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.


Thank you
Kelly

Welcome to the boards, Kelly.

Do you know anything more about him? (Just so we don't start researching stuff you already know.)

Where did they marry? It wasn't in England or Wales.

This is the death of his daughter Mary:

Mrs Mary Reilly
in the Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1966
Name: Mrs Mary Reilly
[Mrs Mary Brown]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 48
Birth Date: 9 May 1875
Birth Place: Shamskin, Pennsylvania
Death Date: 7 Mar 1924
Death Place: Johnstown, Cambria, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Thomas T Brown [ Ireland ]
Mother: Sarah Cooper [ Wales ]
Certificate Number: 27580

Working backwards from that, this is her marriage:

Mary Brown
in the Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1852-1968
Name: Mary Brown
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1875
Marriage Date: Jun 1893
Marriage Place: Cambria, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Thos Brown
Mother: Sarah Brown
Spouse: John Reilly
Film Number: 001294606


Mary with parents and siblings in 1880 ??


Mary Brown
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Mary Brown
Age: 5
Birth Date: Abt 1875
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1880: Bear Valley, Northumberland, Pennsylvania, USA
Dwelling Number: 146
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's name: Thomas Brown
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's name: Sarah Brown
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 32 - Ireland
Sarah Brown 26 - England
John Brown 8
Mary Brown 5
James Brown 3
Prudence Brown 1

this could be thomas daughter mary born 1875

Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: Bear Valley, Northumberland, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race: W
Occupation: Miner
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birth Year (Estimated): 1848
Birthplace: Ireland
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 39
Person Number: 0
Volume: 2
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Brown Self Male 32 Ireland
Sarah Brown Wife Female 26 England
John Brown Son Male 8 Pennsylvania, United States
Mary Brown Daughter Female 5 Pennsylvania, United States
James Brown Son Male 3 Pennsylvania, United States
Prudence Brown Daughter Female 1 Pennsylvania, United States

Thomas Brown
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882





Name: Thomas Brown
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1854
Event Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Year (Estimated): 1848
Birthplace: Ireland
Ship Name: Garland

Possibly Sarah with parents and siblings in 1861:

EDIT:
NO, this is wrong - please ignore. (or maybe not! see MargaretM's ost following.)

Sarah Cooper
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Cooper
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Samuel Cooper
Mother's name: Prudence Cooper
Gender: Female
Where born: Pensnett, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 172
Piece: 2061
Folio: 85
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Cooper 37
Prudence Cooper 30
Joseph Cooper 12
Richard Cooper 11
Sarah Cooper 8
Ellen Cooper 7
Anne Cooper 5
Emmeline Cooper 4
Samuel Cooper 3
Elizth Cooper 9/12

Her family seem to have emigrated to Pennsylvania - unless it's another family with similar names;


Sml Cooper
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Sml Cooper
[Samuel Cooper]
Age in 1870: 40
Birth Year: abt 1830
Birthplace: England
Dwelling Number: 231
Home in 1870: Trevorton, Northumberland, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Inferred Spouse: Prudence Cooper
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliz Ann Cooper 4
Annie Cooper 2/12
Sml Cooper 40
Prudence Cooper 41
Joseph Cooper 20
Richard Cooper 19
Ellen Cooper 16
Emma Cooper 14
Samuel Cooper 12
John T Cooper 5


EDIT:
No, that's the wrong family - this Sarah married a Reilly (But see MargaretM's post below!):

Sarah Brown
in the Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1852-1968
Name: Sarah Brown
[Sarah Cooper]
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1853
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1890
Marriage Place: Cambria, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Samuel Cooper
Mother: Prudence Cooper
Spouse: Peter Relley
Film Number: 001294604

A tree on Ancestry says that Sarah Cooper married Peter J. Reilly after the death of Thomas T. Brown and had daughter Rosella Reilly 1895.
There's a lovely photo of Sarah Cooper Brown Reilly.

Sarah Riley
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name:
Sarah Riley
Age:
47
Birth Date:
Sep 1852
Birthplace:
England
Home in 1900:
Johnstown Ward 14, Cambria, Pennsylvania
Street:
Honan Ave
House Number:
324
129 Race:
White
Gender:
Female
Immigration Year:
1863
Relation to Head of House:
Wife
Marital Status:
Married
Spouse's Name:
Peter Riley
Marriage Year:
1890
Father's Birthplace:
England
Mother's Birthplace:
England
Mother: Number of Living Children:
6
Mother: How Many Children:
13
Years in US:
37
Can Read:
Yes
Can Write:
No
Can Speak English:
Yes
Household Members:

Peter Riley 49
Sarah Riley 47
Rosella Riley 6
Thomas Brown 19
Daniel Brown 13

More than one tree on Ancestry (probably just copying from each other) says Thomas was born 30 Aug 1846 at Boherbue, County Cork.
No proof offered.

One tree offers this as "proof":

Irish Records Extraction Database
Name
Thomas Brown
Sex
Male
Baptism
30 August 1846
Baptism Place
Boherbue, County Cork, Ireland
Father
Denis Brown
Mother
Mary Leary


But no proof that that is the correct Thomas.

One goes on to list several supposed siblings of Thomas.
All are children of Denis and Mary Brown .
All those "siblings" were born (from 1851 onwards) and died in Boston, Massachusetts, as also were Denis and Mary.
Denis & Mary's tree seems quite well researched.


That tree says this is Thomas & Sarah in 1870 :

Thomas Brown
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Brown
Age in 1870: 26
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birthplace: Ireland
Dwelling Number: 229
Home in 1870: Trevorton, Northumberland, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Cannot Write: Y
Denied Voting Rights: Y
Inferred Spouse: Sarah Brown
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 26 - miner
Sarah Brown 19 - England

Also in the household, but not transcribed on Ancestry, is Sarah Cooper, 68, born England, widow. Occupation: "In the family".

But Sarah's mother was Prudence, who was with her husband in Trevorton in 1870. (Just a couple of doors away from Thomas & Sarah.)
Is Sarah senior some other relative? Grandmother of Sarah junior???

However, although interesting, none of that is any help re Thomas T.

Thomas Brown
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Brown
Age: 32
Birth Date: Abt 1848
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1880: Bear Valley, Northumberland, Pennsylvania, USA
Dwelling Number: 146
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sarah Brown
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation: Miner
Months not employed: 7
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 32
Sarah Brown 26
John Brown 8
Mary Brown 5
James Brown 3
Prudence Brown 1

So sorry to not have replied till now. I am new to any message board and with the holidays, been very busy.

Thomas T Brown is my 2nd Great Grandfather. Born in 1846 in Ireland. Immigrated to US and lived in Pennsylvania. Married Sarah Cooper in 1869. Was a miner. Died on September 5, 1887 in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. I am still trying to locate his grave and death certificate or record.

You have the correct Thomas Brown. I do have all the information you have found. I am trying to find his parents, or any Ireland information. The tree that states he was born on August 30 is actually his baptismal date. I am trying to find proof that Mary Leary and Denis Brown are his parents. The trees that state Mary and Denis are his parents have Thomas' death date different then I have so I am questioning if this is my Thomas. Need that proof.

The Sarah Cooper you found in the census as "in the family" is her grandmother. And yes, Sarah's parents lived a few doors down from her. I have actually visited some of the homes in Pennsylvania.

I do not know where they married but I believe it would be in Pennsylvania because the 1870 census states they were married in December of the year before. I believe they were married in 1869 and that both were in the states then. I do not have his immigration date though.

Sarah did marry Peter Riley and I am in contact with the Riley family and I have a wonderful picture of Sarah. Wish I could find one of Thomas.

Again, so sorry for the late response. I really appreciate all the work you all have done.

Where did you get his death date from?

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Death Certificates Index, 1803-1915
Name: Thomas Brown
Birth Date: abt 1846
Death Date: 5 Sep 1886
Death Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age at Death: About 40
Gender: Male
FHL Film Number: 2025918
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EDIT: Not this 1886 death- this thomas was a widower

The death date of 5th September 1887 is given as the death date of Sarah's first husband Thomas on the documents for application for marriage of Sarah Brown to Mr. Reilly.

A copy of the actual document is shown on a tree on Ancestry.

Dea x

I have just found these details on the 'Find a grave' site relating to Denis + Mary (nee Leary)'s deaths but I find it strange that if they already had a child named Thomas, why would they name another one Thomas while the first is still alive?

It is not impossible as I once came across a family who had several children and had given all the girls the one same name (I think it was Mary) and all the boys also shared the same name (I can't remember what that was). However, this would be extremely unusual.

You can see the details here:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160071234/thomas-w_-brown

The following details are given:


** Thomas W. Brown
Birth 1850
Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Death 22 May 1867 (aged 16–17)
Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Burial
Mount Calvary Cemetery
Roslindale, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
Memorial ID 160071234 · View Source



Family Members
Parents

Dennis Brown
1811–1877
Mary Leary Brown
1810–1883

Siblings

Hannah Brown (later married a Bresnahan)
1837–1915
William Brown
1837–1856
Julia Brown
1843–1859
Mary Ann Brown
1851–1861
Bridget Brown
1853–1853
Dennis Harry Brown
1854–1855
Arthur Brown
1858–1859

Obviously these burials will need to be checked but if they prove correct then it sheds doubt as to whether or not we have the correct parents for 'our' Thomas'.


Name
Mary Brown
Maiden Name
Leary
Birth Date
1810
Birth Place
County Cork, Ireland
Death Date
3 Oct 1883
Death Place
Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cemetery
Mount Calvary Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place
Roslindale, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Has Bio?
Y
Spouse
Dennis Brown
Children
Bridget Brown
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160060869


Dea x

Yes Dea, this is why I am trying to find more information on Thomas T Brown because I do not believe that Denis and Mary are my Thomas' parents but I am finding it hard to locate other documentation on my Thomas. I still have some tricks up my sleeve though. I plan on visiting more Pennsylvania sites in the spring to find more information.

AustinQ that is exactly where I got his death date from. I am trying to get in touch with a family member to go through their photos and documentation and hopefully I can find an actual certificate or record that belongs to my Thomas.

Thank you for your help!
Kelly

Kelly,

if we 'presume' that 'our' Thomas is not the son of Denis & Mary, do you know for a fact that he was Irish or does this come from thinking he belonged to that couple?

I am not sure which record I saw his middle initial of 'T' - do we know what the 'T' stands for please?

Dea x

Dea -

My first posts on this thread give his daughter Mary's birth and death.
Both say Thomas was from Ireland, and the death record gives the middle initial T.

The 1880 census posted by Malyon also says he was from Ireland.

There doesn't seem to be anything which explains the T.


On the other hand, the death record says Sarah was from Wales, when she was actually born in Staffordshire - so perhaps we can't trust the info re Thomas!

Thomas is also listed as from Ireland (Sarah from England) on the death certificate of his son Daniel J Brown, and death certificate of his daughter Prudence Stein.

Neither deaths have Thomas with a middle initial

O.K. then, we must take it that he was most probably born in Ireland. So, I found this passage over for several Brown's in 1868 but I can't be sure that they were all of the same family:

Ship - Colorado

BROWN BRID 21 F 5 May 1868
BROWN PATRICK 24 M 5 May 1868 - potter, pot maker
BROWN ROSE 40 F 5 May 1868 wife
BROWN THOMAS 20 M 5 May 1868 - Labourer
BROWN THOMAS 59 M 5 May 1868 - labourer
All from Ireland...............

I haven't been able to follow them through as yet.

I also found a burial in Pensylvania for a Thomas Brown in 1887 which is what Sarah put on their marriage request for his death but there are no details on this Thomas other than the fact thaqt he died:


????
Thomas Brown
Birth unknown
Death 1887
Burial
Allegheny Cemetery
Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, USA
Plot Section: 35 Lot: A Single Grave: 198
Memorial ID 122206648 · View Source

Perhaps you could contact the Cemetery and see if they have anything further on him?

Do you know what his son Daniel's middle name was?

Dea x

Is this him, in spite of slightly different dates ??


Daniel Joseph Brown
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Daniel Joseph Brown
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1886
Birth Place: Johnstown, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Death Date: 13 Jul 1945
Death Place: Johnstown, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Cemetery: Grandview Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Johnstown, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Anna Cecelia Brown
Children: Rita B. Kaufman


The death record for reference:

Daniel J Brown
in the Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1966
Name: Daniel J Brown
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 58
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1886
Birth Place: Johnstown, Pennsylvania
Death Date: 3 Jan 1945
Death Place: Johnstown, Cambria, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Thomas Brown
Mother: Sarah Cooper
Spouse: Anna Brown
Certificate Number: 58584