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Mary Ann Perkins B.1838 and her mother Ann.

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Julie

Julie Report 21 Feb 2019 14:07

Thanks ArgyllGran, I think you may have tracked Mary Ann down for me. The later "Chile" element is intriguing and surprising.

John & Ann Booth migrated to Yorkshire and indeed are shown in Bradfield in 1871, where John remained after Ann's death. Need to work my way through your info in more detail, but it looks promising.

Julie

Julie Report 21 Feb 2019 14:25

Have just located the 1871 census page for Mary Ann Oldfield, low and behold she is living next door to John and Ann Booth. Should have followed the advice I gave my fellow family history hunters at my local U3A group about looking at neighbours on census data!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 15:35

But I don't see her anywhere in 1861 under any surname - Booth, Perkins, or Oldfield.

Unless this is her with wrong place of birth , and already calling herself Oldfield
They married very soon after the census.
Probably not, though, as John was in Nottinghamshire in 1861:

Mary Oldfield
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Oldfield
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ingham, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Glentworth
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Willingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 61
Piece: 2410
Folio: 102
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Cross 50
Mary Ann Cross 37
Edward Cross 16
Robert Cross 17
Arthur Cross 13
Mary Oldfield 23
Bessey Chafer 23
Joseph Herrick 48
Christopher Wray 20 :



Or possibly this one:

Mary Ann Peckens
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Peckens
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grantham, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Grantham
Town: Grantham
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Grantham
Sub-registration district: Grantham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2350
Folio: 60
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Swain 60
Catherine Swain 55
Mary Ann Peckens 23
John Douglass 48
Mary Douglass 48
Luke Brown 66

Julie

Julie Report 21 Feb 2019 17:06

I haven't tracked Mary Ann down in 1861 either, in 1871 mother and daughter were living next door to each other!

I have found evidence to support the Chile marriage of Emma Oldfield and Joseph Foster, it's on familysearch. Her mother is listed as Mary Ann Booth rather than Perkins. The GRO overseas births index also has the birth of Ida Ivy in Chile. Lord knows why they were in Chile!!

The death regn in Stockton is the right one , I found detail on FMP, she's buried at Egglecliffe, the same location s the 1901 census.

All I'm waiting for on Ann and Mary Ann is confirming the death of Ann's mother, have emailed the parish where the burial is likely to have taken place as the PR isn't with Lincoln Archives.

I will follow up on Emma, as I'm intrigued as to why she and John Foster were out in Chile.

Thank you all for your help.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 17:35

Joseph was a boiler-maker and riveter - so I expect they went because of his work.

Joseph travelled to and fro between Chile and the UK a few times, on his own, so presumably work-related:

Mr Jos Foster
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mr Jos Foster
Arrival Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1866
Port of Departure: Valparaiso, Chile
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1901
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Coronel; Sandy Point; Montevideo; Rio de Janeiro; Bahia; Pernambuco
Ship Name: Oropesa
Shipping Line: Pacific Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 102192




Mr Joseph Foster
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mr Joseph Foster [boilermaker ]
Port of Departure: Valparaiso, Chile
Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1908
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Valparaiso; Rio de Janeiro; Lota; St Vincent; Punta Arenas; Pernambuco; La Pallice; Lisbon and Montevideo
Ship Name: Oronsa
Shipping Line: The Pacific Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 123986


Here he's with Mrs Foster, Miss Ivy Foster, and a baby:

Joseph Foster
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mr Joseph Foster
Port of Departure: Valparaiso, Chile
Arrival Date: 9 Dec 1903
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Lota; Sandy Point; Montevideo; Rio de Janeiro; St Vincent
Ship Name: Victoria
Shipping Line: Pacific Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 115316



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 17:39

?? this must be Emma going out to marry Joseph:

Mrs Emma Oldfield
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mrs Emma Oldfield
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 6 Oct 1898
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Tocopilla
Ship Name: Orissa
Master: C Yates Southgate

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 17:47

Maybe something to do with this ??

"When saltpeter exportation in Chile was at its highest point, Tocopilla was especially significant as an export point."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocopilla


"The region was sparsely populated by indigenous Changos and AtacameƱos until massive Chilean immigration in conjunction with a saltpeter boom in the later 19th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antofagasta_Region

Tocopilla is in the Antofagasta region.

Julie

Julie Report 21 Feb 2019 18:46

Thanks ArgyllGran, found the familysearch info too. Also found another article, Chile actively encouraged Western Europeans to go out in the 1890's to help with the mining industries,there was also silver mining in the Tocopilla area. There was a "land for labour" incentive, but not everyone stayed long enough to get land. Had found some of the "movement" info listed above. I suspect there are more pieces of the jig-saw to be uncovered, it appears the oldest child Ida Ivy was the only one born in Chile.

Mary

Mary Report 21 Feb 2019 19:20

1841 N Rauceby page 4 of 7
John Booth 20 shoemaker
Ann Booth 25
Next door but one to the Perkins family and daughter Mary Ann.

They married 23/5/1841 according to tree on Ancestry.co.uk

Maryb.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 22:04

As the Fosters arrived back in the UK in 1903 with Ivy and a baby, that baby must have been born in Chile.

The 1911 census says Emma and Joseph had had four children, and all were still alive .

Ivy and May (May per the Ancestry tree) , born in Chile, and then Herbert and Josephine born in Darlington.

Here's May in 1911:


May Foster
in the 1911 England Census
Name: May Foster
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tocopilla, Chili
Civil Parish: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 21 North Rd Darlington
Registration district: Darlington
Registration District Number: 543
Sub-registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 29520
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Bell 51 - widow, head, Ryland, Lincs, stationer & sub-postmistress
Lilian Jane Bell 28 - single, daughter, Darlington, PO assistant
Nellie Taylor 31 - single, Niece, Scotherne Heath, Lincs, domestic servant
May Foster 8


May married Albert Brown in Darlington in 1929.
Died in Tavistock, 7 Jan 1992.


May Brown
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: May Brown
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1902
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Queen Alexandra Road "Sea View"
Residence Place: Seaham, Durham, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 302
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: FFYO
Registration district: 552 - 2
Inferred Spouse: Albert E Brown
Inferred Children: Rita S Brown
Household Members:
Name
Albert E Brown
May Brown
This record is officially closed.
Rita S Brown (later Hart) - 16 Oct 1933 [ died Cullompton, Devon, 31/10/2014 ]

Julie

Julie Report 21 Feb 2019 22:15

An additional quirk now I've been adding the details to my tree and reviewing the docs again. Ann Perkins/Booth & husband John appear to have adopted a child. Editha Toynbee appearswith them on the 1861 census as a 6 mth old visitor. The 1871 census has Editha Booth 10 yrs old. GRO index shows illegitimate birth of Edith Toynbee Q4 1860. So Mary Ann seems to have followed her mother's example.

Thanks Mary - looks like Ann & John were jumping the gun slightly being recorded as if married.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Feb 2019 22:15

Fanny Foster (May's aunt in 1911 census) was Joseph's sister:

Fanny Foster
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Fanny Foster
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 30
Records on Page:
Name
Henry Bell
Fanny Foster

Julie

Julie Report 22 Feb 2019 08:57

Thanks, I've found the birth of May Foster on the GRO overseas index. Not yet clear exactly when Joseph Foster settled back in the UK permanently, he must have gone back to Chile as there is at least one arrival back to England for him after the record of the family returning in 1903. Whether the family went back after 1903 is again unclear. Still a bit more digging to do.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Mar 2019 12:41

A related thread by Julie, about George Perkins, son of Richard and Mary:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375861