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Annie seems also to have been married before 1909:

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Ekins William Bedford 3b 742
Smith Annie Bedford 3b 742




Annie Ekins
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie Ekins
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Ekins
Birth Place: Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Riseley
Ecclesiastical parish: Riseley All Saints
Town: Riseley
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Riseley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 1484
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ekins 35
Annie Ekins 25
Leonard Ekins 4
Edith S Ekins 3


EKINS, EDITH SARAH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 307

EKINS, LEONARD WILLIAM mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 318



Sadly, Edith died:

Edith Sarah Ekins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edith Sarah Ekins
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 5
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 185

William also died:

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Ekins William 37 Bedford 3b 181


And Annie remarried in 1904.

Annie Ekins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Ekins
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Ampthill
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 890
Records on Page:
Name
Henry Burrows
Annie Ekins




Annie Burrows
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Burrows
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Riseley
Civil Parish: Barton in the Clay
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Manor Road, Barton, Ampthill, Beds
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration district: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 9021
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Burrows 46
Annie Burrows 34
Lenard William Ekins 14
Ruth Ekins 8
William Henry Burrows 5
Arthur Eli Burrows 3

Possibly the birth of the child listed as Ruth in 1911 census ??

EKINS, BEATRICE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 281

Below from google...

Chris :)

http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/RiseleyBaptisms-3.htm

Riseley - Baptisms
January 1873 to March 1901

14 March 1894 SMITH Beatrice (Parents. Annie) Riseley Born: 15 December 1893


Edits (no idea on below!)

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 (Find My Past)

First name(s) Flo Louise
Last name Smith
Birth year 1910
Birth date 21 Apr 1910
Event year 1914
School name Ampthill Road Girls' School, Bedford
Town Bedford
County Bedfordshire
Parent name(s) Alfred
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EBV53/3/1
Folio / page no. 21
Archive Bedfordshire & Luton Archive Services
(Address, 11, Bridge Road)

Florence Louisa Smith was born on 15th October.. Her Mother lived at Winthrop Street /off Brady Street in the Jewish section in the East End of London

Thanks Pam

The problem is there are not many Florence L s reg that qtr 1910 and none seem to work out?

When was her mother in Winthrop st? Does the relative have any other info as to her first name? Seem to be going round in circles and nothing connecting the siblings together.

Do you know what number in Winthrop Street?

In 1911 there's this couple at 16 Winthrop Street - but no children with them:

James Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Smith
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: No
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, England [ corrected to Lambeth on image ]
Civil Parish: Whitechapel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Winthrop Street, Brady St, Whitechapel E
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Occupation: LABOURER
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Whitechapel
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1478
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 40
Elizabeth Smith 36 - Liverpool

Sorry I don't know the house number of Winthrop Street . Pam

Was that Brereton Road where she was living in 1934? (from Marriage Cert.)...

Chris :)

Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, (Ancestry)

Florence and Malcolm there 1936, with Frederick Valentine Bonham, Sydney Valentine Bonham and Maria Louisa Bonham

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(if any help for Winthrop!)


Edits

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8319567

Name Smith, W Content: Aged 26. Engaged as: Seaman.
Reference: BT 100/259/687
Description: Name Smith, W
Content: Aged 26. Engaged as: Seaman.

(above can be downloaded, free. You can see his signature, on image viewer. Looks like 12, Bridge Street)

Yes 26 Brereton St is address on marriage certificates in 1934.. We are still trying to tie this in with the William Smith b 1886 Birmingham . died 1912 on the Titanic.. The family were always told that the Father of Florence Louisa Smith was the ship stoker who died on the Titanic in 1912. I have seen all the records with Titanic details but none of them include any wife or dependants names. I have tried to find other records about Titanic deaths but no luck so far. Thanks ;Pam

https://plimsoll.southampton.gov.uk/SOTON_DOCUMENTS/Plimsoll/Titanic_Crew_List_2012_Q-S.pdf

...42, Bridge Street (later 119 Bernard Street)


http://www.southampton.gov.uk/arts-heritage/southampton-archives/plimsoll.aspx

(Street Directories, then page 2)

(seems 1912 -1913. 42, Collins Bernard aparts)

Chris :)


Edits (below couple at 31, Stratford Road 1936 with Cyril Walter, and Phyllis Maud Smith. 1932 Frederick William Smith with above)


Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Brothwood George Smith Bedford 3b 792
Smith Clara Brothwood Bedford 3b 792


1939 Register (Find My Past)

70 Selbourne Road, Luton M.B., Bedfordshire, England
George Brothwood 1889 19 Nov 1889 Male Engineer Blacksmith Striker Heavy Worker Married
Clara Brothwood 1891 24 Aug 1891 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married


Deaths Mar 1958 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
BROTHWOOD Clara 66 Luton 4a 139

Deaths Dec 1960 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
BROTHWOOD George 71 Luton 4a 179


(1922,23 24, George and Clara living at Gold Street)


(Cyril Walter Smith, son of Clara)


Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
SMITH William Bedford 3b 477
WOOLSTON Ruth Bedford 3b 477

Thank you will follows up ;Pam

I have some new details for a possible half sibling to Florence Louisa Smith . His name on his birth certificate is Frederick William Wildman Smith born 7th March 1911 Riseley Bedfordshire. His Mothers name given is Clara Smith but no Fathers name is given. On the marriage certificate for Frederick William Wildman Smith to Edith Violet Ashwell on 17th December 1932 Luton Bedfordshire, .no Fathers name is given for him. His address is given as 31 Stratford Road Luton Bedfordshire .on the marriage certificate . The occupation for Frederick is Sheet Metal Polisher. Thanks for any further help you can offer . Pam

Re Frederick William Wildman Smith -

on 29th July, after your previous mention of him, Rambling posted the 1911 census showing Clara with her parents, and an unnamed male child born Riseley 1911.

What else do you want to know about him?

You'll never know who his father was, as father's name isn't on either birth or marriage certs.

What was Edith's father's name on the marriage cert?

On the face of it, this should be her birth and death:

Edith Violet Ashwell
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Edith Violet Ashwell
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1912
Baptism Place: St John, Worlds End, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Percy Frederick Ashwell
Mother: Sarah Ashwell


Edith Violet Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edith Violet Smith
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Registration Date: Feb 1992
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 501


Yes, that's her.
Here are Frederick and Edith in 1939, badly mistranscribed:

Frederich W Edith O Smith
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Frederich W Edith O Smith
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4 Felstead Way
Residence Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Occupation: Hat Milliner
Schedule Number: 183
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DPPB
Registration district: 178-2
Inferred Spouse: Frederich W Smith [ Frederick on image ]
Household Members:
Name
Frederich W Smith - motor trade sheet metal worker, 2 March 1911
Frederich W Edith O Smith
Edith D Percy F Ashwell - [ Percy F Ashwell - Edith D scored out ]
Percy F Sarah J Ashwell - [Sarah J Ashwell - Percy F scored out]
Sarah J Ellen Hills - [ Ellen Hills - Sarah J scored out ] 25 June 1875, widowed
Ellen Rosemary Hills - [ Rosemary Hills (later Hardy) - Ellen scored out ]


Edith's entry originally said Smith, Frederick W, then Frederick W was scored out, and Edith V put in instead.

Her parents' entries , and the two Hills, are similarly corrected after wrong names were written first.

Rosemary Hills, later Hardy was born 1935. I haven't posted her DOB, as she may still be alive.

Frederick William W Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frederick William W Smith
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1911
Registration Date: Jan 1988
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 564

Just found Cyril Walter Smith born 1910 ( the one year old with Clara Smith on 1911.census) living in 1936 at 31 Stratford Road Luton with Phyllis Maud Smith (nee Raymond) this is the same address given on the marriage certificate for Frederick William Wildman Smith, so can begin to pull this together. I hope. Thanks Pam

Where does the Jewish connection into family, as mentioned by you earlier in 'Thread'?...

Chris :)

(quote "Also the Grandaughter says Florence Louisa Smith was Jewish Thanks Pam")

The family of Florence Louisa Smith said she was Jewish and lived in the Jewish section in East London. I am still trying to find the correct Florence Louisa Smith so that I can order her birth certificate , . I am looking at the possible half siblings to help establish this. Thank you Pam

Just an outside thought, if she was born Oct 1909 or poss 1910, and reg in the Dec qtr Winthrop st should come under Whitechapel ...only female with Jewish name? no father's surname given.

EPSTEIN, - ...
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 193

Have not checked on census though

EDIT probably not as there is a female death reg same qtr