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I don't hold out much hope of finding a connection but wonder if someone can point me in a direction.
The above person, my 4th great Grandfather I have put down as b abt 1740 and death abt 1783 probably Leith Scotland. I can go no further back than him but he married Elizabeth Forrester. Maybe he is the Torrop that came from Sweden as an old family tree says and i have Sweden in my DNA ( as have many people I know)
They had 3 sons and 2 daughters one was James Torrop b 1767 and died 1870 again Leith who married Mary Boswell and had 2 sons and 1 daughter, daughter died aged 2.
James Torrop died early leaving the 2 sons ages 7 and 5 James Smith Torrop ( my 2nd great grandfather)and Christoper Torrop.
I found a piece in the newspaper regarding them and connecting them to a General Spens of Rutherglen saying that General Spens was a near kinsman and guardian of these boys. I cannot find any connection.
I would appreciate any help and guidance. I know that Scotlands people is a pay to view and have searched the site with no luck. I have started 2 Spens trees and have my main tree on Ancestry.
Many thanks
Margaret

Not what you're looking for but does show the likelyhood of the Spens connection as middle name here


First name(s) Christopher Spens
Last name Torrop
Gender Male
Birth year 1845
Birth place Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place -
Father's first name(s) James Smith
Father's last name Torrop
Mother's first name(s) Marion
Mother's last name Edwards
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950

Not what you're looking for but does show the likelyhood of the Spens connection as middle name here


First name(s) Christopher Spens
Last name Torrop
Gender Male
Birth year 1845
Birth place Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place -
Father's first name(s) James Smith
Father's last name Torrop
Mother's first name(s) Marion
Mother's last name Edwards
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950

for ref

First name(s) Christopher Spens
Last name Torrop
Birth year -
Death year 1875
Death date 31 Jul 1875
Cemetery Grange Cemetery
City Edinburgh
County -
Country Scotland
Image link
Record set Scotland Billion Graves Cemetery Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland

Image at
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Christopher-Spens-Torrop/30963207

William Torrup
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Name:
William Torrup
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
17 Dec 1769
Christening Place:
, NORTH LEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
10 Dec 1769
Father's Name:
Christopher Torrup
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Forrester

Oh yes sorry forgot to mention that. Felt I was rambling. James Spens Torrop was my great Grandfather and my granny was Margaret Spens and her neice had Spens. Bet they had no idea why.

First name(s) Christopher
Last name Torop
Gender Male
Birth year 1810
Birth place Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place -
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Torop
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Boswell
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950

Christopher Torrup
mentioned in the record of Marion Torrup
: Christopher Torrup
Sex: Male
Wife: Elizabeth Forrester
Daughter: Marion Torrup
Other information in the record of Marion Torrup
from Scotland Births and Baptisms

Name:
Marion Torrup
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
18 Jan 1773
Christening Place:
, NORTH LEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
09 Jan 1773
Father's Name:
Christopher Torrup
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Forrester

John Torrop
mentioned in the record of James Haddin and Elizabeth Torrop





Name: John Torrop
Sex: Male
Daughter: Elizabeth Torrop
Other information in the record of James Haddin and Elizabeth Torrop
from Scotland MarriagesName:
James Haddin
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Torrop
Event Date:
02 Apr 1804
Event Place:
Canongate,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name:
John Torrop

Christopher Torop
mentioned in the record of David Torop

Name: Christopher Torop
Sex: Male
Wife: Elizabeth Forrester
Son: David Torop
Other information in the record of David Torop
from Scotland Births and Baptisms

Name:
David Torop
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
01 Dec 1763
Christening Place:
, NORTH LEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
22 Nov 1763
Father's Name:
Christopher Torop
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Forrester

Christopher Torop
mentioned in the record of Elizabeth Torop
Name: Christopher Torop
Sex: Male
Wife: Elizabeth Forrester
Daughter: Elizabeth Torop
Other information in the record of Elizabeth Torop
from Scotland Births and Baptisms

Name:
Elizabeth Torop
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
06 Aug 1765
Christening Place:
, NORTH LEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Father's Name:
Christopher Torop
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Forrester

Have you got all your possible dates right, eg. was James 103 when he died? Or you ? then you say he died early leaving 2 sons

The marriage you refer to -

Surname Forename Spouse Name Date Parish Number Ref Parish Image View
TORROP JAMES MARY BOSWALL/FR4570 (FR4570) 18/07/1804 685/3 170 7 Canongate

Is this the James and Christopher whose Father you say died early?

Record Transcription:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, London Street, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
James Torrup Male 30 1811 Midlothian, Scotland
Christopher Torrup Male 30 1811 Midlothian, Scotland
Helen Hay Female 40 1801 Scotland

Thanks for the info. Can anyone get info before Christopher B abt 1740?
Would anyone know regarding where guardianship papers would be kept?

Oops, James died 1815. Sorry

Can't even find Christopher's baptism, Margaret, never mind anything about his parents!

No it's very frustrating. Maybe he is the Torrop who came from Sweden.

Re guardianship - I have no idea.

Contact the National Records of Scotland - they may be able to advise:

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/about-us/contact-us

Many thanks for everyone's assistance.
Margaret

No idea if below fits anywhere!...

Chris :)

County Midlothian
Place Canongate
Church name Holyroodhouse
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 01 Apr 1796
Groom forename James
Groom surname MILLER
Groom parish Fisherow
Groom occupation Shoemaker
Bride forename Margaret
Bride surname TORROP
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname TORROP
Bride father occupation Mariner in Leith

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

See below from google...

https://tinyurl.com/yyquzf5q

Fraser's Magazine for Town and Country
1838
Christopher Torrop (a rugged name enough!), editor of the Edinburgh Evening Post, a youth of considerable promise, is the son of a tinsmith, and of Swedish extraction.